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Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Moose, Jan 16, 2011.

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  1. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    I know these pictures are out of focus, I could not get the camera to focus on the subject. This is Caribbean Star and I noticed some ants crawling on the tender part of the plant. Sure enough, those Green blobs you see is the dreaded croton scale. 3 days of a low of 37 F and its January 16 and I find scale. Just a heads up to the crotonheads in South Florida, you may want to survey your plants soon. :(
     

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  2. koki

    koki Active Member

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    Any time you see ants on your crotons should be a call for alarm. Those little bastards will spend all the live-long day farming scales and aphids. If you don't catch it early it can really set back a plant.
     
  3. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ron,

    You think with all the recent cold weather, the populations of at least some insects would be affected. Had this plant been treated with Merit, because I know you are using it?
     
  4. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Jeff - I got the Caribbean Star from Marie Nock and she had treated it with merit. I could see the granular residue on container soil surface. I know where you are going with this, I do not know when she applied it. It would be nice to know how long this systemic prophylatic lasts.

    This is my only affected croton so far. Everything that was treated with Malice (another trade name, same chemical as Merit) is still croton scale free.

    Toby (Koki) you are so right. I let it go once meaning "to get to it" for a week. Real bad descision, this scale multiples and matures most rapidly once established. Yes, the ants are the indicator. You will see them crawling about while the scale is developing hidden under the leaves. :mad:
     
  5. Jerry@TreeZoo

    Jerry@TreeZoo Well-Known Member

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    At the Arboretum, we have a fair sized Erithryna variegata that has not bloomed in a few years because of annual insect attacks so last week we gave it almost 50 gallons of Merit drench. I wanted to apply it early because I don't know how long it takes to translocate up into a large tree. It is about 6 to 10 weeks before its normal bloom time.

    While we were at it, we mixed up a Merit drench and soluble fert cocktail for the few crotons we have. We have had a few warm days now so do you think I was too early for either the insecticide or the fert? Are the crotons actively growing enough this time of year to take them up?

    BTW, I understand that the more Imidicloprid (Merit, Marathon etc) you use the longer it is supposed to last.
     
  6. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    This is what I use as soon as I see croton scale. Mist it right on the scale. It works as a contact and is a systemic. I do not drench the roots with this product because it is highly toxic and I fear for my dogs getting into it. I also worry about the critters in the soil. It does absorb into the leaves a bit.

    This is just a stop gap for the scale until the Merit, Malice ... gets a chance to get absorbed through the roots. Typically taking about two weeks in my experience. Most of my plants are pretty small.
     

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  7. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    I have good luck spraying infected plants with a spritz of Murphy's Oil Soap mixed with water (about 1 tablespoon to a quart). The soap breaks down the shell on the scale. A shot or 2 a couple of weeks in a row knocks them back without the toxins.

    Randy
     
  8. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    I followed my own advise and found the croton scale in the drizzling rain on an Angel Wing. :mad:
     
  9. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Croton scale found on Angle Wing My pictures suck - see the green blobs. :mad:
     

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  10. Crotonologist

    Crotonologist Active Member

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    Haven't seen any of those green buggers here yet, but we have plenty of other types of scale insects already....
    Cygon has been one of the best chemicals for scale - you can literally paint some cygon concentrate on a camellia trunk and eradicate all the scale on the whole bush...
    Can you still buy cygon in Florida?
    AFAIK it's been banned once existing stocks are gone...
     
  11. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Well ...
     

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  12. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Found scale on my Yellow Petra and Fiesta. I had just looked at my Fiesta just last week and there was nothing. I spent all day checking my plants and treating with Malice. It appears that Spring is trying to make an appearance.
     
  13. junglegal

    junglegal Esteemed Member

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    Who was it that said they had no luck using coffee grounds? I'm surprised because I've seen good results with using it on my wamin bamboo. A scale magnet! So far (knock on wood) I have not seen scale on my crotons.
     
  14. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    What really suprised me was the newest found croton scale had no ants in attendance. That is a first for me. I usually look for ants crawling on the plants rather than looking under leaves. Just got off the phone with waykoolplantz and he has recently found a couple crotons with scale so he just finished treating all his crotons.

    I urge every croton lover on the SE Coast to check your plants. My plants are starting to push new leaves and this is what the scale loves to attack. :mad:
     
  15. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Bump, Some plants that were clean last week are showing the early signs. Time to spray:mad: Time to give your crotons a close look!
     

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