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Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by annafl, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    Anna - There will never be a resolution here. Don't make yourself crazy over it. There are those who say these are two different varieties and those, like me, who will swear on a stack of Fritos that they are the same. I grow Satan, a cutting from the plant seen in Dr. Brown's book and given to me by Jesse Durko. I have seven different plants in various areas of the garden, all cuttings from the original one, all different in terms of leaf size and shape, color, and variegation. I have been given plants that were certified as Irene Kingsley and they have grown into the exact same plant as at least one or two of my Satans.
     
  2. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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  3. Native son

    Native son Well-Known Member

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  4. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Hi Anna,

    This is where I'm at. Seminole Pride and Searle #2 are two new plants that I grew from seeds off my own plants. So just like Ralph Davis, Aubrey Christian and Robert Halgrim ( to name a few ) did many ,many years ago, they named their own seedlings and are plants that we have today. Why would our new varieties today be any different? Personally, I think it's silly to have a separate section for "new" seedlings. Why?

    Jack Pot is a plant that I got out of the old Halgrim yard many years ago and is not known to exist anywhere, anymore. When it was given to me, I was told to put a name on it as there was no known name. So I did.
     
  5. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Unfortunately, today's entries were lost during a thunderstorm this afternoon. I will have to re-do the few I found, but not today.

    Today's entries:

    Milky Way-Marie Nock
    Satan-Jeff Searle- there was already a photo under this name that had leaves in less of a trident shape. I wrote a sentence or two about the present controversy regarding this cultivar.
     
  6. Jerry Shilling

    Jerry Shilling Well-Known Member

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    Daisy Christine will be three years old in November.
    It was a cross between Mrs. Snyder Disraeli (seed) & Sybil Griffen (pollen). These plants were purchased at my 1st Searle Sale in 10/10.
    A litter mate to Daisy's Dance (same seed cluster).
    Daisy Christine is all about the orange.

    Daisy's Dance is all about the leaf shape.

    One of my earliest attempts at hybridizing. As inexperienced as I was, these two plants
    were simply a gift from the croton gods. And they surely hooked me for life!
     

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  7. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Jack Pot-Jeff Searle
    Norma-Rick Leitner
    Commotion-Ron Kiefert
    Red Foot-Ron Kiefert
    Coral Showers-Ron Kiefert
    Freckles-Phil Stager
    Freckles-Ron Kiefert
    Madam Butterfly-Rick Leitner
    Exiter-Jeff Searle


    I'ts really very slow going to find more confirmed, good photos in the wiki that have not yet been pulled. Please feel free to point out any that you think are exceptional and belong in the wiki. Thanks! Ana:)
     
  8. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Don't see Tickled Pink in the Wiki. Discovered by Mike Woolery (Bullwinkle), he invited everyone for three years to help ID it. At one point, I started referring to it (tongue in cheek) as WTF. There has been literally hundreds of croton eyes on this cultivar, none have ever recalled seeing it. This may have been some volunteer seedling that never got named. After much urging, Mike assigned the name: Tickled Pink. If a "historical" name ever manifests, it can get changed in the Wiki. I feel that this cultivar is well deserving a place in the Wiki. Mike has generously shared this plant and is established in many collectors gardens.

    I see the Wiki does not have a photo of The Clown. Jeff Searle has a true "clown" as ID'd by Bob Alonso at the Glock Dec. Croton Tour in 2010. Jeff - please provide a photo for Ana so she can continue her fine work in the Wiki. I believe she loves "finding another piece of the puzzle".
     
  9. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    3,500 hits on this thread in a months time. Very impressive! :cool:
     
  10. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Let's keep the photos coming people!

    Today's entries:

    Milky Way-Lamar Sapp
    Geisha Girl-Toby Rose
    Joe Friday-Toby Rose
    Mosaic-Toby Rose
    Wilma-Randy Weisner
    Acubaefolium-Robertico in Costa Rica
    Seminole Pride-Jeff Searle
    Searle No. 2-Jeff Searle
    Pops Searle-Jeff Searle
    Daisy Christine-Jerry Shilling
    Daisy's Dance-Jerry Shilling
    Brandon James-Jeff Searle
    Wooten's Beauty-Lamar Sapp
     
  11. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    It is very slow going now trying to find correctly identified good photos that haven't already been placed in the wiki. I really have to depend on all of you now to provide new photos of your plants. They don't have to be new plants, just good photos of mature plants that show typical characteristics for that cultivar.:)

    Today's entries:

    Tickled Pink-Photo by Ron Kiefert of Mike Woolery's plant.
    Pam Kiefert-Ron Kiefert
    Karen Edge-Perry Edge*** does anyone know who Karen is? Is it his wife?
    Pink Davis-Marie Nock and Jeff Searle
    Davis 87-Marie Nock and Randy Weisner
    Embassy-Ron Kiefert
     
  12. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Ana, Here are the photos of "Daisy Ortegas" from Jeff's. I'm thinking William Craig:confused: DSC_0097.jpg DSC_0099.jpg
     
  13. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Oh dear, really Randy? And I thought maybe we'd found one that could be agreed on. Any discussion?
     
  14. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Kiss and Tell-Randy Weisner
    Interruptum-Allan Ragobar, Ron Kiefert, and Ana Bowers
    Eggfarm-Marie Nock and Judy Glock
     
  15. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    This is what we got going in the Moose Land as Daisy Ortega. By comparing it with the William Craig I got from Judy Glock, these are my observations.

    Daisy Ortega has a slightly smaller overall leaf size.
    Ratio wise: Leaf length: Leaf width - Daisy Ortega has slightly narrower leaf
    Color comparison is hard. Daisy Ortega has more orange and the mature red has more of an orangish coloration. William Craig has a deep vibrant red.

    If I was in someone else's garden and was asked "is this Daisy or William", I would have difficulty deciding.
     

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  16. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Maybe if there is continued discussion and more photos, it can be figured out if WC and DO are the same or distinct, and what the defining characteristics might be. I think Jeff thought the emerging leaves on DO have more green than WC, and there were other thoughts he had also-Jeff? Anyone with other ideas?

    Please note the wiki format thread and weigh in on what you see on your computer, please. I'd like to see if I can get the format to be more compact and efficient for everyone, no matter which browser you're on, if it's possible. Thanks.

    Today's entries:

    Blotched Coppinger's Hybrid-Marie Nock
    Coppinger's Frank Brown-Andy Finlayson
     
  17. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    DSC_0120.jpg DSC_0075.jpg
    Ron, Your plant is certainly different than any of my W Craigs. DSC_0046.jpg DSC_0059.jpg

    All four of these were all ID'd as William Craig. A variation or different plants?:confused:

    I thought my #2 photo might be a Daisy O........mmmmmmmmmm
     
  18. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    To me, Jeff's plant resembles Ron's and Randy's second one. What do you think?
     
  19. Jerry Shilling

    Jerry Shilling Well-Known Member

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    Last time I looked we still needed these:

    Antilla - in too much sun right now but it's something...I will get a better one this fall. Lots of pink in this one.

    Regina

    Porter's Pink Veitchii?....I think, should be confirmed before placing in the Wiki.
     

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  20. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    This is just my opinion Ana but I do not think that a real Richard Krukonis still exists.When I look at the one in the book I have seen no croton that looks quite as majestic as that one.Allthough many are similar none match the one in the book,again just my opinion :)Remember many crotons pictured in that book are no longer with us.


     
  21. donroberth

    donroberth Well-Known Member

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    Great quality fotos of your DAISY ORTEGA Moose...did you finally set your camera on a tripod :confused: lol :rolleyes:.
     
  22. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Jerry, I will put Antilla and Regina in later, and wait to hear discussion on Porter's Pink Veitchii. That plant has so much pink it is awesome, though.:eek:
     
  23. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Mike, I know what you mean. Maybe it will sort itself out over time. Ana
     
  24. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Jerry. Two less asterisks.

    Today's entries:

    Antilla-Jerry Shilling
    Regina-Jerry Shilling
     
  25. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Ana,
    Stan Wood sent me this photo of The Clown. I asked if we could use it in the wiki and he said yes. Please credit the photo to him. Thanks.

    The Clown.jpg
     
  26. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Marie. What a striking photo with the black and white background. I wish Stan would join us in the forum. He would be such a great addition to the discussion of the group. And his photos-priceless!:eek:
     
  27. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    The Clown-Stan Wood
    Pam Kiefert-Ron Kiefert
     
  28. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    Ana ,please see the picture the Jerry just put up for Majesticum.I believe this is the correct picture,I do not think the one listed in the Wiki is correct, in fact I think it is listed as incorrrect in the wiki.
     
  29. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Mike, I agree. Where do I transfer the photo? Should I put it under Picturatum? Is it good for that? I can delete it but it would be a shame unless we can't find a place where it belongs. Let me know. Thanks!
     
  30. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Ishi-Tim O'Donnel
    Lt. Paget-Jerry Shilling
    Gonzales-"
    Irresistible-"
    Mosaic-"
    Arthur Howe-"
    Cameo-"
    Cronstadt-"
    General Lawrence-"
    Buddy-"
    Ortegas Hybrid-"
    Madam Butterfly- both forms-"
    Majesticum-"
     
  31. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    Others may help on this one but I would put it under Pheasants tail.I think the same picture is already listed in the wiki under that name.Majesticum is certainly very different from Pheasants tail.Jerry's plant looks great and Stan also has a spectacular example.

     
  32. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Hi Mike,

    My understanding is that Pheasant's Tail and Majesticum are synonyms, and that's why the photo appears in both. I need to get this cleared up. Anyone know if these two are synonyms or different? I can't remember if it was on Ray's list or if I saw it somewhere else. We need to get to the bottom of this. Onward through the fog!:rolleyes:
     
  33. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Lucille Alonzo-Phil Stager and Ron Kiefert
    Flamingo-Jerry Shilling
    Joe Friday-"
    Jungle Queen-"
    Pride of Naples-"
    Limelight-"
    AFD 5-"
    Ovalifolium-"
    Dreer 7-"
    Raphael-"
    Baron James de Rothschild-Jerry Shilling
     
  34. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Duncan Macaw-Jerry Shilling
    Doris-"
    Commotion-"
    Inca-"
    King of Siam-"
    Monarch-"
    Chief-"
    Sweet Marie-"
    Carmen Christian-"
    General Marshall-"
     
  35. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    A few more entries for today:

    Nestor-Ron Kiefert
    Princess Eugenia-Jerry Shilling
    Her Highness-"
    Tortoise Shell-"
    Stained Glass-"

    ** The last photo under Stained Glass, could that be Gonzales instead? It's Jeff Searle's plant. Please look and give your opinion. I can transfer it if need be. Thanks!
     
  36. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ana,

    It's a Stain Glass. Many years ago when it was small, and not a very good, clear picture I must admit. You have my permission to remove it if you want, I actually have a very nice looking one now and much taller.
     
  37. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Jeff. I just wasn't sure. I'd love to see your Stained Glass now.... and any other plants you'd like to share as well!
     
  38. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Ana - these shots may be better for the Wiki, Faye Miller

    Thanks,

    Ron :)
     

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  39. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    General Paget-Robertico in Costa Rica
    Veitchii-Lamar Sapp
    Caribbean Star-Lamar Sapp
    Faye Miller-Ron Kiefert
     
  40. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Daisy Ortegas-Marie Nock
    Finished-Marie Nock
    Bimbo-Marie Nock
    Seminole Queen-Stan Wood (Marie, this photo could not be enlarged. I don't know why. The Clown was fine.
    Clipper-Randy Weisner
    Peace-Randy Weisner
    Yellow Bird-Randy Weisner
    General MacArthur-Ron Kiefert
    Tickled Pink-Ron Kiefert
    Irresistible-Ron Kiefert
    Charmer-Chris Mayhew
    Heaven-Ron Kiefert
    Baron James de Rothschild-Ron Kiefert
    L.M. Rutherford-Jeff Searle
    Coral Showers-Jeff Searle
    Reliance-Scott McIntosh
    Royal Flush-Ron Kiefert
    Franklin Roosevelt-Rob Van der Borg
    Van Buren-Randy Weisner
    Red Foot-Randy Weisner
     

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