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Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by annafl, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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  2. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Ray, I am trying to understand what you are getting at. I am using Mrs Iceton as a example here. Photos appear in Dr Browns (1995) book using Mrs Iceton as the name. Are you stating we are now to go back and use Imperiallis only? I would think Mrs Iceton is now a accepted name for Imperiallis and part of the history of this cultivar . Then will that make the yellow one Yellow Imperiallis? Scott
     
  3. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    If the name appears in one of Dr. Brown's books i.e. Ms. Iceton, it's already an accepted name. Imperialis is also an accepted name from an old list or catalogue. Who knows which one came first but both are accepted. The list I added in the other link was only to provide a historical cross reference between names Dr. Brown used in his first book with his later book. Bob Alonzo, Johnny Shelton and others were also able to cross reference names between Dr. Brown's books and many of those listed in the Christian papers and/or Reasoner's and Dreer catalogues. My only intention in providing that list was to give people a little backround on a plant they may have growing in their garden. I know some people here don't care about names but most do. Accepted, historical names should be cross referenced on the Wiki site and a name someone added much later to that same cultivar should be removed. What good is a database if every name we give an already established cultivar gets recorded and considered valid. Where does it stop? When you look up Imperialis, it should refer you to Ms. Iceton and viceversa. With newer varieties and seedlings, pick one or two names and stick to them.
     
  4. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Now I understand. Thanks again Ray! This week I have placed Aluminum Impress-O-Tags on my Crotons trying to give them the correct names. Mrs Iceton will get 2 name tags.
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  5. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Is there such a thing as Reedi or is this a misspelling of Rheedi?

    Is there such a thing as Delaruye or is it Delarue or is it different than Juliette Delarue?

    Should there be a separate entry for Sturrock's pink veitchii or should it stay lumped together with veitchii. My impression is that this is a different cultivar altogether. Although this presents a problem in that I can't transfer photos from one name to the other. I don't know if Dean can. We'd have to get new photos.


    Today's entries:


    Johanna Coppinger-Allan
    Joann Roof-Toby Rose
    Veitchii-Allan and Robertico Heredia
    Acubaefolium-Robertico Heredia
    Reliance-Robertico Heredia
    Zanzibar-Robertico Heredia
    Nervia-Ricky
    Picturatum-Phil Stager
    Robert Lavalois-Allan
    Pride of Winterhaven-Allan
    Christmas-David King
    Thomas Edison-David King
     
  6. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Hi Ana,

    It's spelled Rheedii.

    I'm 90% certain it's Delarue.

    There are 4 distinct Veitchii:

    Porter's Pink Veitchii
    Sturrock's Pink Veitchii
    Veitchii
    Albicans = White Veitchii


    By the way, I believe Judy Glock and Jeff Searle agreed that "Hot Tub Pink" is really Christmas. Hopefully, they'll chime in and confirm. If so, the Hot Tube Pink reference should disappear.

    Ray
     
  7. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Oh, ok Ray. I'd like to hear from Judy and Jeff before I bring it up to Dean. Thanks.


    Today's entries:

    Maculatum Katoni-Allan
    Yellow Quill-Keith Hanks
    John Halgrim Jr.-Keith Hanks
    Seminole Queen-Keith Hanks
    Cornelius Halgrim-Keith Hanks
    Skeet Jones-Keith Hanks
    White Tapestry-Keith Hanks
    Confetti-Keith Hanks
    Helen Coppinger-Marie Nock
    Florida Sunset-Keith Hanks
    Nocatee-Keith Hanks
    Irene Kingsley-Allan
    Father's Day-Rob
    Dr. Frank Brown-Rob
     
  8. Rags

    Rags Active Member

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    Haven't been active on the site for some time now, but this is a huge undertaking........ keep up the excellent work!
     
  9. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    Here's a Michelangelo growing in part sun and very bright light
     

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  10. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Allan, I hope you'll start posting again. I've missed pictures of your wonderful croton finds and posts of your growing collection.
     
  11. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Allan, I've loved going back through the old forum photos and seeing your plants and your finds. Please stay with us and keep posting!:D

    I'll ask again since I didn't get a response: Should we have a different entry for Sturrock's Pink Veitchii, and if we do, I don't think I can transfer the old photos, so we'll need new ones. Can you all do that?


    Today's last entries:


    Confetti-Rob Van der Borg
    Carmen Christian-Ron Kiefert
    Lord Belhaven-Ron Kiefert
    Peace-Ron Kiefert
    Philip Geduldig-Phil Stager
    Coral Showers- Ron Keifert
    Fishbone-Ron Kiefert
    Columbia-Rob Van der Borg and Ron Keifert
    Freckles-Ron Kiefert and Judy Glock
    Von Oosterezeii-Ray Hernandez
    Michaelangelo-Phil Stager
    Colonel Bob Bullock-Judy Glock
    Van Houtii-Toby Rose
    Sunrise-Ricky Ginsburg
    Lyratum-Ricky Ginsburg
    Miami-Ricky Ginsburg
    Rheedii-Allan Ragobar
    Amabile-Allan Ragobar **** please check this one. Beautiful plant, but not sure about id?

    Thanks to all who posted photos of plants! Ana:)
     
  12. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    This looks like the White/Yellow form of Amabile.
     
  13. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Ana,

    The photo of "America" from me is actually "Ernestine Delarue". I was more confused than usual when the America ID was made.

    I believe Phil has a nice specimen of the real "America".

    Ray
     
  14. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks Marie, I'll make a note of that.

    Thanks Ray, I'll transfer it.
     
  15. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Hey its Allan! :cool: Wow Ana - your really getting this forum cranking! :D
     
  16. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Colonel Bob Bullock-Ron Kiefert
    Ovalifolium-Allan Ragobar
    Inca-Ron Kiefert
    White Eburneum, Andrew-Rick Leitner
    Her Highness-Ron Kiefert
    The Moth-Ron Kiefert
    Queen of Siam-Phil Stager
    General MacArthur-Ron Kiefert
    Blotched Williams Jennings Bryan-Toby Rose
    Nancy Reagan-Randy Weisner
    Ernestine Delarue-Ray Hernandez
    Revelation-Keith Hanks, Randy Weisner, Phil Stager
    Pandora-Keith Hanks


    I won't be posting for the next few days. Please keep posting your photos and suggestions, as I will catch up when I get back! Ana:)
     
  17. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Porter's Pink Veitchii and Sturrock's are both good valid names. I think the last time Judy and I spoke, we agreed that Hot Tub Pink and Christmas are the same plants. Therefore, Christmas would be the correct name. Judy?
     
  18. Judy Glock

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    Christmas is OK with me!
     
  19. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    I just happened to look up Cornelius, the two pictures that Phil submitted, although are very pretty but not what I learned as Cornelius. Unless the lighting is playing tricks but they look like two different plants. I have Cornelius that originally came out of Robert Halgrims yard and matches up with Marie's plant. Anyone else.......?
     
  20. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    Both Keith's and my Cornelius Halgrim came from cuttings off a plant at Cookie Graf's. I know the Glocks have an air layer off mine, and I should be able to bring a nice air layer to the next gathering.
     
  21. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Some of the confusion is because one of Phil's pictures of Cornelius Halgrim is posted under Cornelius.
     
  22. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, Marie. glad that one is sorted out. Reminds me of my high school trigonometry teacher who had the bad habit of adding 2 + 2, thinking 4, saying 3 and writing down 5.
     
  23. Perry Edge

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    my entry, the Karen Edge ---credit Harold Lee



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  24. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Very nice Perry.
     
  25. Jerry Shilling

    Jerry Shilling Well-Known Member

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    My Cornelius was an airlayer from Judy's plant. Went in the ground in April and really took off. I really like this one.

    Anyway looks like Phil's plant to me.
     

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  26. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Beautiful plant Jerry.:cool: I don't think I've seen that one.
     
  27. Jeff Searle

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    Well, were obviously talking about two distinct plants. Now's the time when Robert Halgrim or possibly Bob Alonzo should jump in.
     
  28. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    Jeff - we're talking about two different plants here:
    1. Cornelius - as in the pic above. I got my Cornelius back in 2001 at a Croton Society meeting at the Edison Estate.
    2. Cornelius Halgrim - a fairly large interrupted leaf variety. I got mine from Cookie Graf as described elsewhere

    The confusion comes from a error in posting pic of Cornelius Halgrim under the title of Cornelius. The similarity of the names does not help either. It's late at night so will try and post pics of each tomorrow.

    onward through the fog
     
  29. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Hi, I'm back!:D

    Changed Cornelius Halgrim to its correct spot. Thanks for noticing and letting me know.
    Is Randy's photo under Ann Rutherford correct?
    Is the other photo under Dreer 3 correct? Where does it belong?
    Ray's photo of Mother and daughter posted a couple of days ago- it looks like Starlight too? Is it correct?
    I changed Eburneum to White and Pink Eburneums. Please tell me how it should be done.
    I will ask Dean to delete Hot Tub Pink and change entry to Christmas
    I will make entry for Sturrock's Pink Veitchii and transfer photos

    Please keep checking things as I do them and alert me to anything that needs to be changed


    This morning's entries:


    Dreer 3-Judy Glock
    C.I. Craigin-Ron Kiefert
    Dayspring (4) Robertico in Costa Rica
    Norma Jean-Andy Finlayson
    Cornelius-Jerry Shilling
    Appendiculatum-Ray Hernandez
    Rainbow Starlight-Ray Hernandez
    Cutler's Giant-Ray Hernandez
    Ann Rutherford-Ron Kiefert
    Harvest Moon-Ray Hernandez
    White Bravo-David King
    Ram's Horn-David King
    Volutum-David King
    Daybreak-Ron Kiefert
    Mrs. C.O. Liller-Ray Hernandez
     
  30. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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  31. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Hi Ray,

    Harvest Moon was one of the first I did. Look under its heading.

    Should I post the mother daughter although the interrupted leaf may not be clearly visible or do you want to take another more representative photo? To me it looks so much like Rainbow Starlight I can't tell much difference. Let me know. Thanks. Ana:)
     
  32. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Ana,

    You're right, the photo should be better. I'll take another photo of M&D. Delete the one I sent previously.
     
  33. Jeff Searle

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    Phil,

    I'm referring to the Wiki page. If you go to it and look under Cornelius, you will see two pic's of a pink looking croton and two pic's from Marie that have red leaves. These are pic's of two very distinct looking plants. Mine ( the red leaf plant) came from Robert Halgrim's yard through Bob many years ago after he had just recently passed away. So my question is, which is the real plant? We need some help from Bob Alonzo on this one I think.
     
  34. fawnridge

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    Jonathan Schwartz, a sport from Mother & Daughter and Mother & Daughter in deep shade.

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  35. Phil Stager

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    Jeff - I see what you're getting at. Here's some pics taken today of Cornelius - one's an air layer potted up about two weeks ago, others are of two different plants but from the original I got back in 2001. I cannot get too excited about color shade variations since much may depend upon growing conditions especially light, lighting conditions when pics were taken, camera settings, etc. Now Jerry's is different since it shows a lot of blotching compared to the others. So if the blotching continues and can be transmitted to an air layer or two or more and is consistent, then we have a Blotched Cornelius(maybe...). At any rate, fit's one of my favorites.
     

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  36. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Last ones for today:

    Arrowhead-Photo by Ron Kiefert of Jeff Searle's plant
    Old Legend- "
    Jungle Queen "
    General Marshall- "
    Louis Dupuy- "
    Wm. Jennings Bryan "
    Raphael "
    Geisha Girl "
    Cameo-Photo by Randy Weisner
    Sybil Griffin- Photo by Rob Van der Borg of Judy Glock's plant
    William Craig- "
    Three Toes- "
    Rapture-Photo by Ana Bowers of Keith Hanks's plant
    Pitcarin-Photo by Jeff Searle
    Pitcarin-Photo by Phil Stager
    Robert Halgrim-Photo by Jeff Searle
    Juliette Delarue-Photo by Jeff Searle
    John Soar-Photo by Phil Stager
     
  37. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    Very nice plant Phil,hopefully that new airlayer will make it to our October auction :)

     
  38. Jerry Shilling

    Jerry Shilling Well-Known Member

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    I noted that we still needed the Earl of Derby in the Wiki. I acquired this one at a Searle sale. After reading the description I'm not sure on my plant. Does anyone have one?

    "A trilobed-leaved form of the Disraeli type, with nearly the whole central portion of the leaf blade yellow, the margin and tips of the lobes a grassy green."
     

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  39. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    Jerry - I've got one that has leaves exactly like yours - but am not too sure of the name. Ray should be able to ID this one for us.
     
  40. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    [QUOTE

    I'm referring to the Wiki page. If you go to it and look under Cornelius, you will see two pic's of a pink looking croton and two pic's from Marie that have red leaves. These are pic's of two very distinct looking plants. Mine ( the red leaf plant) came from Robert Halgrim's yard through Bob many years ago after he had just recently passed away. So my question is, which is the real plant? We need some help from Bob Alonzo on this one I think.[/QUOTE]

    Jeff, it's the photo. Mine is a pink.
     

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