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Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by annafl, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    I've been fooling around with the wiki and I think, with much patience and help from Dean, I finally might be able to do a couple of simple things on it. I am still slow and learning.

    I'd like to go through the forum and try to fill in the wiki as much as possible from your spectacular photos. I will go through and try to select photos of crotons whose identities seem agreed upon by the membership, and those that show as much of the plant as possible. I'd like to credit each of you for your photos if that's ok with you. If not, please let me know now that you don't want your name on them or that you'd rather have your forum user name on it instead. I can always go back and edit if you change your mind. I don't know all of your surnames, so I might be PM'ing you to ask.

    I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions along the way.

    Thank-you all, I hope I will learn from this as I go along. Wish me luck, and thanks again, Dean!

    Ana
     
  2. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    I would appreciate it if some of you all would check up on my work to make sure photos are representative of the named croton so the work is correct. Thanks.

    Done-

    Bonita-Jerry Shilling
    Flamingo- Marie Nock
    Jerry Shilling
    Yellow Iceton- Scott McIntosh
    Limelight- Jerry Shilling
     
  3. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    Looks great,thanks for the update


     
  4. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks for checking, Mike.

    New ones:

    Dr. Lin Yu Tang- Phil Stager (2)
    Corot- Randy Wiesner
    Mrs. Snyder Disraeli- Randy Wiesner
    Raphael- Randy Wiesner
    Charmer- Ron Kiefert
     
  5. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Ana, thank you for doing this. You're making the WIKI an even better resource.
     
  6. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    More new ones tonight:

    Royal Flush-Ron Kiefert
    Zulu, synonym Noblissima- Tim kwtimo and Peyton Walton
    Nervia-Randy Wiesner
    Doris(2)-Marie Nock
    Kentucky-Phil Stager
    Stoplight-Toby Rose

    Daisy's Pride, Coppinger's Hybrid, Earlscourt, Compte de Castellaine, Voncilla Barley, Dolores, Eleanor Fischler, Exotica, Stained Glass, Playboy, and Tiffany are all photos by Jerry Shilling of Judy Glock's plants.
     
  7. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Ana, Thanks for your efforts! I'll go through my photos & see if I can add to your work:rolleyes:


    -Randy
     
  8. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Randy.

    Today's entries:

    Acubaefolium-Lamar
    John Bender-Lamar and Ron
    Blotched Wooten's Beauty-Lamar
    Excellent-Lamar
    Peace-Lamar
    Andreanum-Lamar
    Caution Light-Lamar
    Bravo-Donroberth
    Gold Dust-Donroberth
    Gloriosa-Donroberth
    Punctatum-Donroberth and Scott McIntosh
    Pink Eburneum-Ron and Ricky
    Eburneum-Ron
    Heaven-Ron
    Multicolor-Ron
    Princess Eugenia-Ron
    Raphael-Ron
    Madame Butterfly-Toby
    Sybil Griffin-Toby
     
  9. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Last ones for today:

    Red Quill-Jerry Shilling, Rick Leitner, and Toby Rose
    Andreanum-Jerry Shilling and Donroberth
    Excellent-Donroberth
    Compte de Castellaine-Jeff Searle
    Stewartii-Photo by Randy Weisner of Judy Glock's plant, and Scott McIntosh
    Victoria's Gold Bells-Photo by Scott McIntosh of Phil Stager's plant
    Thomas Edison-Photo by Scott McIntosh of Phil Stager's plant


    ***I hope someone is checking my entries for correct id's! Please!
     
  10. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Today's entries:

    Maculatum Katoni-Lamar Sapp
    Spirale-Jeff Searle
    Ben Alexander- Jeff Searle and Croton1
    Goldfinger-Jeff Searle
    Madame Fernand Kohl-Jeff Searle and KingDavid
    Royal Flush-Jeff Searle
    Cornelius Halgrim-Phil Stager
    Dreadlocks-Peyton Walton
    Jean Frances Fascell-Mike Woolery
    Yellow Petra-Mike Woolery
    Stewartii-Ron Kiefert


    Is Madame Fernand Kohl really Fernand and not Fernando or Ferdinand?
     
  11. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Ana,

    I've often wondered the same thing. This same problem arises when you consider other croton names like Madam Butterfly. The actual name should probably be Madama or Madame Butterfly. If one uses Dr. Brown's 1960 book as the croton bible (and many of us do), then these unusual spellings must be taken as gospel. I have a feeling these are just mispelled words and Ferdinand and Madame are what was actually intended. This of course is just my two cents worth.

    By the way, the old book spells it Madam Fernand Kohl.
     
  12. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Good point, Ray. I hadn't even noticed the discrepancy in Madam. Fortunately it's spelled correctly in the wiki.

    Marie, I don't know how to add new names to the wiki so I'll have to wait till Milky Way has a name entered. I'll email Dean soon. Can anyone think of any other new names we need in the wiki?

    Last entries for today:

    John Burnett-Photo by Jerry Shilling of Judy Glock's plant
    Mercer-Marie Nock and Ron Kiefert
    Duncan Macaw-Jerry Shilling, Ron Kiefert, Rick Leitner, and Jeff Searle
    Coppinger's Hybrid-Jerry Shilling
    Congo-Jerry Shilling
    Della McGee-Jerry Shilling
    Helen Edge-Rick Leitner and Tim O'Donnel
    Victor Limone-Jeff Searle and Rick Leitner
    Corot-Rick Leitner
    Arthur Howe (2)-Marie Nock
    Warrenii/Jensenii (2) Marie Nock
    Amabile (2) Marie Nock
    Yellow Duke of Windsor/Marigold-Ron Kiefert and Rick Leitner


    If someone would pay particular attention to the Victor Limones. The two plants seem to be quite different. Just wanting to make sure they're right. I've never seen the plant. Thanks.
     
  13. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Ana, Here's 2 more. thanks again.

    1st 2- Recurvafoliam
    2nd 2- Weismanii DSC_0061.jpg DSC_0049.jpg DSC_0053.jpg DSC_0054.jpg
     
  14. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    I've got over 15,000 photos stored, including many of crotons. My problem is just finding them. One more:rolleyes:

    -Candy Cane IMG_0651.JPG.jpg DSC_0098.jpg
     
  15. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Randy, that Weismannii is a spectacular plant! You can really see the thumb things so clearly. All are great photos. Thanks so much.

    Ana
     
  16. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Ana, this is the other form of Madam Butterfly. If you need a Weismanii, I'll put one in the mist bed for you!;) DSC_0032.jpg

    -Randy
     
  17. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    I think I'm going crazy. I posted today's entries in another post!

    Here they are:

    Candy Cane(2)-Randy Weisner
    Weismanii(2)-Randy Weisner
    Recurvifolium(2)-Randy Weisner
    Sunray-Ray Hernandez
    Edwin T. Meredith-Ray Hernandez
    America-Ray Hernandez
    Miami Beauty-Lamar
    C.I.Craigin-Ray Hernandez
    Blotched Jungle Queen-Marie Nock
    R.L. Farquhar-Marie Nock and Photo by Jerry Shilling of Judy Glock's plant
    John Criswick-Marie Nock
    General Marshall-Phil Stager
    Van Houtii-Phil Stager
    Gonzales (only 1, I still need someone to turn the third Gonzales photo right side up)-Phil Stager
    Jean Frances Fascell-Phil Stager
    Nevilla-Phil Stager
    Krakatoa-Phil Stager
    Jester-Phil Stager
    Lucille Alonzo-Phil Stager
    Juliette Delarue-Andy
    Mini Cascade-Andy
     
  18. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Randy, I didn't see this Madam Butterfly till now. I'll add it tomorrow. I would absolutely LOVE a Weismanii! Thanks! Ana:cool:
     
  19. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Entries today:

    Madam Butterfly (second form)-Randy Weisner
    Gonzales-Phil Stager
    Rooster's Tail-Marie Nock
    Pappey-Jerry Shilling
    Nancy-Jerry Shilling
    Davis1-Allan and Ron Kiefert
    Mons Florin-Phil Stager
    Nancy-Jerry Shilling
    Sunny Star-Ron Kiefert's photo of Mike Woolery's plant
    Rudy Bachman-Mike Woolery
    Diane-Scott McIntosh
    Major Dade-Jerry Shilling
    Chief-Mike Woolery
    Mike Fascell-Ron Kiefert
    Green and Gold-Ron Kiefert
    Davis 7-Ron Kiefert
    Lt. Paget-Lamar Sapp
     
  20. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Last ones for today:

    Twist and Turn-Marie Nock
    Leota-Marie Nock
    Ellen Rutherford-Marie Nock
    Picasso's Paintbrush-Scott McIntosh
    Evansius-Jerry Shilling
    Cornbread-Jerry Shilling
    Cronstadt-Jerry Shilling
    Applause-Jerry Shilling
    Earlscourt-Ron Kiefert
    Daybreak-Ron Kiefert
    Commotion- Ron Kiefert and Jerry Shilling
    Duke of Windsor-Ron Kiefert
    Ethel Craig-Jerry Shilling
    Baron Le Compte-Jerry Shilling and Jeff Searle
    Mosaic-Jerry Shilling
    President Eisenhower-Jerry Shilling
    Green and Gold-Jerry Shilling
    AFD#5, Fantasy, Fantasia and Karen-Jerry Shilling
    Cardinal-Jerry Shilling
    Hot Tub Pink-Jerry Shilling
    Glen Roof-Jerry Shilling
    Tiger Eye-Jerry Shilling
     
  21. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    First time I have heard of a Hot Tub Pink. Which thread was it in? How did I miss it? :confused:
     
  22. andy

    andy Active Member

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    Hot Tub Pink ,I think that is one of judys key west crotons if im not mistaken,
    Moose, guess what its next too
    then again my memory is not what it used to be!
     
  23. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Ron, it's in one of Jerry's threads. Use the search function, I think it's the only one in the whole forum. It looks amazing and has been near the top of:eek: my wish list since the day I saw it's photo. If you find one, please let me know where! Ana
     
  24. Judy Glock

    Judy Glock Active Member

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    Moose, Andy is correct. This was an unknown croton growing next to our hot tub. I put that name on it just to help me remember its source. Some say it might be "Christmas", but I have that one and it does not appear to be the same. So the name Hot Tub Pink stuck. If someone can confirm another name it is OK with me!

    Ana, Jim will put on an air layer for you tomorrow!
     
  25. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Speaking of air layers Judy - I have yet heard a response from you regarding my proposed trade for the Pam Kiefert air layer I have going. The other has already been traded for. Please shoot me a PM. ;)
     
  26. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Woohoo! Thanks so much for the Hot Tub Pink Marie and Jim!

    Today's entries:

    Super Petra-Ray Hernandez
    John Criswick-Allan
    Exotica-Keith Hanks
    Puccini-Keith Hanks
    Tugboat Annie-Keith Hanks
    Yellow Red Quill-Keith Hanks
    Yellow Stoplight-Marie Nock
    Cornelius-Marie Nock and Phil Stager
    Blotched Corot-Marie Nock
    Polychrome-Phil Stager
    Jungle Queen-Phil Stager
    Cornbread-Phil Stager
     
  27. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Last entries for today:

    -Deleted the questioned id of Excellent

    Added last ones for today:

    Nellie Halgrim-Ron Kiefert
    Ortegas Hybrid-Jeff Searle, Andy Finlayson and Judy Glock
    Eleanor Fischler-Jeff Searle
    Colonel Lindbergh-Jeff Searle
    Geisha Girl-Phil Stager
    Prince of Orange-Randy Weisner, Mike Harris (photo by Ron) and Judy Glock
    Columbiana-Randy Weisner
    Louis Dupuy-Randy Weisner and Judy Glock
    Wilma-Randy Weisner and Judy Glock
    Red Spider-Marie Nock
    Faye Miller-Ron Kiefert
    Coppinger's Hybrid-Mike Harris
    Sunrise-Mike Harris
    Rapture-Jeff Searle
    Polychrome-Jeff Searle
    Nestor-Rick Leitner
    William Craig-Judy Glock
    Arrowhead-Judy Glock
    Bimbo-Judy Glock
    Three Toes-Judy Glock
    Bonita-Judy Glock
    Wilma-Judy Glock
    Carribean Star-Judy Glock
     
  28. Jerry Shilling

    Jerry Shilling Well-Known Member

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    Ana - I just want to say job well done and thanks for taking this on.
    Really good stuff going on here!

    Jerry
     
  29. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks for the pat on the back, Jerry:D Ana
     
  30. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for doing this Ana, it is muchly appreciated ;) Here are 2 more

    1st- Queen Emma DSC_0033.jpg DSC_0034.jpg

    2nd- Albicans DSC_0039.jpg DSC_0040.jpg
     
  31. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ana,

    What a great job your doing! This takes lots of time and patience. I need to get my lazy butt out in the yard as there are several crotons I have that pictures are needed. I have casually looked over the list and would like to recommend a few changes that I think need to be made. Please feel free to add your own comments.

    Pig in a Blanket.......delete. This turned out to be Wooton Beauty

    Rapture........Photo of Ray's plant turned out not be Rapture based on Bob Alonzo's conversation.

    Bushmaster.......delete.
     
  32. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks Randy!

    Thanks for checking on some, Jeff. I'll do that today.

    Today's entries:


    Columbia-Judy Glock
    Marie Dressler-Keith Hanks
    Marigold-Ron Kiefert, Rick Leitner and David King
    Yellow Duke of Windsor-David King
    Picturatum-Phil Stager
    Flamingo-Randy Weisner
    Kiss and Tell-Randy Weisner
    Inca-Randy Weisner and Jerry Shilling
    Rheedii 3-Phil Stager and Ron Kiefert
    Stained Glass-Jerry Shilling
    John Burnett-Jerry Shilling
    Zanzibar-David King
    Candy Cane-David King
    Nervia-David Reid
    Ethel Craig-Andy Finlayson
    Mrs. Edison-Jeff Searle
    Edwin T. Meredith-Jerry Shilling
     
  33. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Last ones for today:

    Queen Emma-Randy Weisner
    Albicans-Randy Weisner
    Krakatoa-Randy Weisner
    Dreer 7-Ron Kiefert and Jeff Searle
    Davis 87-Marie Nock
    Sybil Griffin-Ron Kiefert (Ramble)
    Red Spider-Ron Kiefert (Ramble)
    Kentucky-Robertico Heredia
    Buddy-Robertico Heredia
    Maculatum Katoni-Robertico Heredia
    Fred Sanders-Robertico Heredia
    Bravo-Robertico Heredia
    Mrs. Iceton-Jerry Shilling
    Irene Kingsley-Jerry Shilling
    Captain Kidd-Phil Stager
    Yellow Mammie-Scott McIntosh
    Tiger Eye-Rick Leitner
    Angel Wing-Ron Kiefert
    Blotched William Jennings Bryan-Ron Kiefert
    Delicatissima-Ron Kiefert
    Blotched Wooten's Beauty-Ron Kiefert
    Pinocchio-Ron Kiefert
     
  34. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Jeff, I spoke with Dean and he feels synonyms to other names should not be removed from the encyclopedia. Hence, he left Pig in the Blanket.


    Today's entries:

    Angustissimum-Allan
    Johannis-Allan
    Island Breeze-Ron Kiefert and Jose Lopez
    White Ann Rutherford-Ron Kiefert and Jose Lopez
    Charles Rutherford-Ron Kiefert and Allan
    Pop's Yard-Jeff Searle and Ron Kiefert
    Irene Kingsley-Allan
    Columbia-Ron Kiefert
    Sybil Griffin-Allan
    Batik-Scott McIntosh and Allan
    Golden Glow-Allan
    Piecrust-Allan
    FDR-Allan
    Exotica-Marie Nock
    Stoplight-Robertico Heredia
    Super Petra-Ricky Ginsburg
    President Reagan-Ricky Ginsburg and Andy Finlayson
     
  35. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Hi Ana,

    I don't think they should be removed but they should be lumped under the proper name. To have multiple, distinct entries and then have the same photo for both is not the way to go. Under "Pigs In a Blanket", I'd have "see Wooten's Beauty". I would cross reference to the accepted name where the only photo of that plant would appear. That said, you are doing a fantastic job and don't want to discourage you. Dean has his opinion and I have mine. Proceed as you see fit.

    Ray
     
  36. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Well, I totally disagree. The name Pig in a Blanket was placed on a previously named croton, Wooton Beauty by who know's who. As my small Pig in a Blanket that I acquired years ago grew up, it was very apparent that it was nothing more than Wooton Beauty, an older established named croton. Others noticed this too. The same goes for Sloppy Painter. This named was applied years ago to Eleanor Roosevelt and does nothing but confuse people. The croton, Stain Glass has a another name that is recognized, and that's John Burnett. Sorry if I misspelled his last name.
     
  37. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    I do not have control over deleting entries that are already there. Apparently, it is an action that can only be done by administrators, I surmise. I have brought this point up (Pig in a Blanket) with Dean and he'll have to decide what to do. I have to ask him every time an entry has to be deleted.

    What I've been doing is to add any new photos to names that are synonyms. I cannot get old photo entries from one entry and add it to another entry, and that's why you see the synonyms don't have the same number of entries necessarily if some of them are old. Now, I can delete photos. If you'd rather I redirect to the main name, please let me know specifically, which should be redirected to which and I can do that easily.

    I don't see this as a crucial point and I don't have a strong opinion one way or another. I'd like to avoid controversy. What I see important is that the correct id's are placed with the names, and I pretty much have to rely on all of you to check my work. Also, that a variety of correct presentations are added to each name so variations can be appreciated. So, please let me know how to proceed with the synonyms (specifics, please), and I'll be happy to do it! That's a great list of synonyms, Ray. Thanks all. Ana
     
  38. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Last ones today:

    Rubens-Rick Leitner and Randy Weisner
    Captain Kidd-Rick Leitner
    Sweet Marie-Rick Leitner
    Norman Rockwell-Rick Leitner
    Blotched Raphael-Marie Nock and Photo by Toby Rose of Judy Glock's plant
    Princess Eugenia-Toby Rose, Chris Mayhew
    Carribean Star-Ron Kiefert
    Commotion-Ron Kiefert
    Red Foot-Ron Kiefert
    Rex-Ron Kiefert
    West Wall-Ron Kiefert
    Petra-Robertico Heredia
    Lyratum-Robertico Heredia
    Dayspring-Robertico Heredia
     
  39. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    Let me throw out a few observations from someone not a involved with Crotons - but involved with trying to develop a useful tool for those wishing info on Crotons.

    - There is no such thing as a "recognized" name. If there is, please tell me the source (like Kew is for palms) that has done the botanical research to separate the cultivars. As I understand it - there never will be - nor can there be. There will always be differences of opinion regarding these names. And like Ti Plants, as other countries become more involved, there will be different names for the same plant in each country. There will never be a "central" authority." The wiki may become such a central "go to" reference. So we can only do our best.

    - As Jeff said, things will be bought under one name and then years later they will be recognized as something else.

    So, what to do. Unless Jeff and Ray and everyone else is willing to keep everything always up to date, then things are going to always be confusing - because they are always going to be changing. My opinion is that all old, incorrect, controversial names should remain in the lexicon - for one main reason. If I am a new collector and see a Croton I would like to buy under a name like "Pig in a Blanket" - what should I do. So I go to the Croton Encyclopedia and look up "Pig in a Blanket." It's not there, so I am excited and buy this "new" cultivar. I am sure there are other names that have been used for some cultivars, and other cultivars that are constantly confused with others.

    I would suggest what I think was suggested a while ago. That is, have a section under what we can agree on is the first or most used name for a cultivar. This AKA section would include names that are sometimes given to this same named cultivar. There could also be a section named "OCW - Often Confused With." It should be noted that any of you can register for the wiki and can edit any of these pages to add this info.

    At least in this solution, if someone placed "Pig in a Blanket" in the Search Box the result would pup up that there is a reference to it on another page. They could go there and see either that it is an AKA for another cultivar, or and OSW for another cultivar and make up their own mind. But to be deleting all references to names that have been used through the years is not going to help anyone.
     
  40. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Well said Dean! I learned today that my Nervia is really AFD#9, but looks nothing like my AFD#9 from Hawaii.
     

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