Unknown Croton, ID needed, please

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by fawnridge, Jul 23, 2010.

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  1. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    I thought this was Nestor at first, but looking at the older leaves, I'm not so sure.
     

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  2. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    Does not look like a textbook Nestor - but then Nestor sports very readily.

    I think you have one for "Stump the Chumps"
     
  3. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Phil did you just name that croton? :eek:

    Stump the Chumps

    LOL!!!

    Moose :cool:
     
  4. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    ..with my apologies to the Tappet Bros on Car Talk on NPR on Sat morning. It's a regular feature of the show - Stump the Chumps
     
  5. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    LOL - I love a good story behind the naming of a cultivar. ;)
     
  6. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Here is a "Stump the Chumps" I.D. question. Name the cultivar that this leaf came from? :rolleyes:

    You need to enlarge the photo, that should help you. ;)
     

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  7. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Blotched Corot?? There is such a think ya know.
     
  8. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    Looks more like President Raygun.
     
  9. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    No to both ID's - but very good attempts.

    Ray I wish it was what your ID was. I don't even have a typical Corot. :(

    Keep trying, this is a very difficult Stump the Chumps identification. :rolleyes:

    Let's have fun with this ...
     
  10. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Ok - I cheated a little. It may be a sport since it has not shown any more typical leaves for awhile. What do you think? :eek:
     

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  11. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    I think I like it alot!!!!!!
     
  12. irene_kingsley

    irene_kingsley Active Member

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    Woah! i like that cultivat too!
     
  13. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Ron, I will guess its a Natasha Fatale. Nice colors.
     
  14. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Scott - I don't believe I have heard of that cultivar before.

    By the way I cropped the photos so you could not guess the mother plant so easily. If you saw it you would know it immediately. I gave Rob a hint yesterday in Jeff's shade house. When I told him that he was close to the cultivar of the mother plant, he was standing 5 feet from it. I hope this sport holds. :rolleyes:

    Come on and try to guess the mother plants I.D.

    Phil care to try "Stump the Chumps"? ;)
     
  15. irene_kingsley

    irene_kingsley Active Member

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    Pink Eburneum???
     
  16. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Irene - nice try, Pink Eburnum looks like these.

    I will reveal the mother plant soon, so everyone have some have fun throwing out some wild guesses!

    You just may hit on it :)
     

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  17. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    The leaves have the shape of Sybil Griffin but hard to tell anything about size...
     
  18. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Very nice guess Phil. The leaves do have a Sybil Griffin type shape. The leaves on this sport are smaller than typical Sybil Griffin leaves. The mother plant does have an oak leaf shape however, getting into the ballpark with the guesses now. :p
     
  19. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Ron,
    How about a sport on Mrs. Snyder's Desraeli?
     
  20. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    WOW - we have a winner!!! :eek:

    Good job Marie! ;)
    This sport does not color like the mom, just kinda keeps the leaf shape. I have been waiting to see if it would revert back to the momma color patterns but its been holding for awhile now.
     
  21. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Ron,
    John Bender once told me that when you have a sport, you never totally remove it from the parent. So if you want to propagate it, cut in the middle of the sport. I'll offer mist house space.
    Marie
     
  22. Moose

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    Thanks Marie - I can't remember but I know it has at least two branches maybe three of this sport. It pouring rain now and I am not going to look until later. I spent most of the morning with a friend getting wet. :p I will get a picture of the overall plant tomorrow.

    This is not very a small sport. ;)

    Ron.
     
  23. ScotTi

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  25. Moose

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    Oh! Keel Moose :eek:
     

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  26. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Here is the proof that the weird sport is in fact from Mrs. Snyder Disraeli. ;)

    First is mother plant with sport on the left.

    Second is overall plant with sport on the left.

    Third is the sport.
     

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  27. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Wow, the blotched one in Ron's second photo looks like a little like an old variety known as Mrs. Collette. Someone please check the description in Dr. Brown's old book. There's a photo of it on the original Croton Society website (http://crotons.org/) inside photo gallery 1.
     
  28. Moose

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    Ray I checked it out and you are right about the resemblance. Thanks for the link! How do you remember all these cultivars? :eek: I will never have your gifted croton eye. :(The Mrs. Collette does not appear as blotched and does not have as vibrant pinks as the sport in my photos. With luck this sport will hold its colors and patterns. :rolleyes:
     
  29. Moose

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    This sport has been really, really slow. I would love to get more of this sport established - I guess patience is needed. :(
     

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