I'm trying to get some clarity on whether or not Tali and October Surprise are the same plant. I've heard some conflicting information, and since I don't have one of each plant, I'm hoping that others can help to clear this up. I got a October Surprise from the auction at Phil's last year. I remember seeing his pretty sizable plant in his garden too. Phil, can you tell me what the original source of your plant was? Was the plant I got at the auction last year from you, or was it from either H. Lee or Ron Parlett? Can anyone who has either or both of these plants please post pics so that we can maybe clear this up? I know that Jeff Searle has Tali that he got from Stan Wood. These are pictures of Phil's October Surprise in his garden, and of the plant that I got at the auction.