Series#1...Mr. Henry Coppinger

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Jeff Searle, Oct 29, 2011.

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  1. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    I recently started making up a list of croton varieties that some of the old, legendary hybridizers came up with.I will be adding other hybridizers in this series in the near future.I tried to research to the best of my ability, and feel free to add more names if you see something that was left off.The first, and maybe the best ever was, Mr. Henry Coppinger.

    His plants were,

    Antilla
    Catherine Gephart
    Columbiana
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    Franklin Roosevelt
    Gloriosa
    Golden Glow
    Johanna Coppinger
    Madam Butterfly
    Major Dade
    Marie Dressler
    Miami Beauty
    Monarch
    America
    Radiance
    Victory
    Frank Brown
    Nocatee
    Lord Bellhaven
    Tiger Eye
    Moth
    Fishbone
    Dorthy Reasoner

    next up...Series #2...Mr. Raplh Davis
     
  2. Crotonologist

    Crotonologist Active Member

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    Your list is longer than mine, but here's a few I had listed as Coppinger plants that are not on your list:

    Coral Shower
    Della Mcgee
    Louis Dupuy
    Reliance
    Tiffany
    Tugboat Annie (same as Marie Dressler???)
     
  3. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    There's also Helen Coppinger.
     
  4. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! These were new to me too. It's quite an extensive list. Chris...being your kinfolk, is there any other names that were not aware of?
     
  5. Moose

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    In my opinion, this would be a superior thread if there were some accompanied captioned photos. But then again - what does a Moose know? :rolleyes:
     
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    Jeff... I would love to accommodate you but I can't think of any names. I'll ask my cousin if he has a list...Don't you have a couple of unnamed ones. Chris
     
  7. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Is this plant still known to exist?
     
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    Yes, in answer to your question. My cousin came up with just one other...Mary Pickford...a small yellow leaf. I'm sure there are more just from all the cultivars there were.
     
  9. Marie Nock

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    Jeff,
    It's in at least one west coast collection and I'm currently rooting a cutting.
    Marie
     
  10. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Chris,
    I never heard of this one, Mary Pickford. Do you remember any history behind this croton's name? Is there any plants around that your aware of?

    Marie,

    It's good to hear that it's still around. But it sounds like it's highly endangered of being lost. Hopefully more of it can be propagated into next year.
     
  11. Marie Nock

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    Chris,
    What about his yellow/green hybrid with the "not to be mentioned in polite company" name?
     
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    Jeff.. Mary Pickford was a hollywood actress in the '20s. All I know about that. Yeah Marie there is that big geen yellow and another very large leaf that I think you two already have. And I recently acquired a cutting of Helen Coppinger that is doing very well.
     
  13. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    I have started this new section in my yard now and extreamly dedicated to collecting every know Henry Coppinger plant possible. It will also share the same space with as many plants from Ralph Davis had. This could eventually take some serious space up, but I think I can do it. I hope I can find one of these Helen Coppinger plants soon to add.
     
  14. Marie Nock

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    One of my current favorites is a Coppinger Hybrid that became a Blotched Coppinger Hybrid. I topped it and the blotched form continued from the base.

    DSC_0098.jpg
     
  15. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Marie, should Blotched Coppinger's Hybrid be placed in the wiki?
     
  16. Marie Nock

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    If it doesn't get its own listing, it could at least go in as the blotched form under the Coppinger Hybrid. I think other blotched forms have a separate listing.
     
  17. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Marie. It is definitely worthy of it's own listing. Let's do that. Ana
     
  18. Moose

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    Coppinger's Coral Shower
     

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    I'll be polite and just post the photo. :eek:
     

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  20. Bullwinkle

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    Ray has said this plant is Yellow Sybil Griffin.Do we have any consensus on this.It sure looks like what yellow Sybil Griffin would look like??

     
  21. Moose

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    Is Sybil Griffin a Henry Coppinger hybrid ? :confused:
     
  22. Moose

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    Having the benefit of observing both C&B and a Sybil Griffin, to my "eye", I simply don't see a Yellow Sybil Griffin. C&B can be a finicky cultivar that at times drops its leaves for no apparent reason. Sybil Griffin is a prolific grower. Sybil also has a much larger & elongated semi oak shaped leaves compared to C&B's leaves. The "eye" is subjective, so further investigation is warranted.

    According to Dr. Frank B. Brown's original croton book (page 131), Sybil Griffin originated from Al Cutler. The nephew of Mr. Henry Coppinger (Chris) is the source of C&B which he has been cultivating for years. I am not stating that a Yellow Sybil Griffin is not in existence, just very unsure that C&B is the yellow form of Sybil.

    Onward through the fog ... :confused:
     
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    Subject 1--------------Subject2. Sorry about sun on S G. 3 no sun.
     

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    They look very close in leaf type and marking hard to deny that.
     
  25. Moose

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    Da Nile is a river in Africa, LOL :D

    Acquired this croton tagged as Hybrid 4. The monster leaves were what got my attention. On one of Chris Mayhew's visits to the Moose Land, he spotted this cultivar exclaiming "where did you get that"? Cutting the story short, according to Chris - this is a Henry Coppinger creation. His aunt (Henry's wife) relayed to Chris many moons ago that this was Henry's favorite. So there you have it, the widow of Henry Coppinger named it Henry's Favorite. Chris said no other name for it from the family.
     

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  26. Marie Nock

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    And, we can add Victory to the list of Coppinger hybrids.
     
  27. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    I'm very honored to own a Henry's Favorite. It has a leaf shape like no other croton! It's nice to put a name on the hybrid now and can call it Victory.

    And as far as the yellow and green called C&B, just because it has a leaf shape like Sybil Griffin, that in itself no way can be traced back to a yellow form of SG.
     
  28. donroberth

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    Mr. Searle…what an interesting subject for a thread.

    As you know I live in Costa Rica and the majority of Crotons I encounter in my “in-country wanderings” belong in what I call “old favorites or traditional Crotons” category.

    Furthermore...as the FORUM members contribute information, comments and fotos to the thread perhaps it can become an additional subject/category of interest in the WIKI? See the MOOSE comment in his post #5...worth considering :confused:.

    I will be following your subject posts with great interest and, I'm sure, enjoyment...thanks for posting :D.
     
  29. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Robert,

    I've been to Costa Rica several times in the past, so the next time I can come down there, I will definitely let you know in advance and try to meet up so you can show me your beautiful collection.
     
  30. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    The following are not marked as Coppinger's hybrids in the wiki. I'd like to label them as such if folks agree that they are all Coppinger's hybrids:

    Helen Coppinger
    Nocatee (labeled as Halgrim)
    Tugboat Annie
    Marie Dressler
    Miami Beauty
    Tiger Eye
    Madam Butterfly
    The Moth
    Columbiana
    Fishbone
    Louis Dupuy

    Chris, Jeff, Ron, or anyone else that might know?
     
  31. Moose

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    Here is a photo of the young Henry Coppinger
     

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    The man was obviously nuts.
     
  33. Marie Nock

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    Ana, Madam Butterfly, Tugboat Annie = Marie Dressler, and Columbiana are validated as Coppinger hybrids in Frank Brown's 1960 book.
     
  34. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Marie. I will put those in. Happy New Year's everyone.
     
  35. Moose

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    Here is another Coppinger's Coral Shower from Randy's garden.
     

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  36. keith

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    Nocatee is a Halgrim hybrid.
     
  37. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Thanks, Keith.:)
     
  38. Moose

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    This is what the Moose Land has as Golden Glow
     

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    A Della McGee before sunrise.
     

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