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Discussion in 'CORDYLINE CORNER - THE TI PLANT' started by walrus, Jan 10, 2015.

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  1. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    i've had a green ti plant for 12 yrs, indoors, it stayed small, i moved to south texas a year and a half ago, it's been outside since, now it's 6ft, it loves it here, it's never flowered until now, will it go to seed , if so how do i know when the seeds are mature?
     
  2. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    A photo would be very helpful because there are several types of green Ti Plants. I have about 4 different types that could be called a "green Ti." The most common and traditional "green Ti" has never flowered for me here in Hawaii. And I was never able to keep it alive in So. California. So, I have a suspicion that what you have may not be what I know as the Green Ti - and any advice I would give would be about this plant.

    Let's hear what ScotTi - our resident Ti Guru has to add.
     
  3. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    I have had many different Ti plants come into flower and most will set seed. Some Ti will load down with fruit and many only a few. I never bothered with the green one until this summer. I purchased a 2 log pack one being green the other red. The green has grown fast and has left the red behind. Here are some photos of the fruit that are hanging out now from the fall flowering. If you are going to get seed you will see the fruit set after flowering and then you will need to wait until summer for the fruit to ripen. The berries (fruit) will soften when ripe. Img_8295.jpg IMG_8299.JPG
     
  4. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Dean, Post some pictures of your green Ti's. Here is my little one... Img_8301.jpg
     
  5. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    my ti plant looked like the little potted you have, i lived in a small dark house, at 7,000 ft. and kept it alive, it loves the heat and humidity here, it was a "log" sent to me from a friend where i used to live on maui, since it flowered, i ordered some today from the big island, i had given up on plants,until i moved here, i'll see if i can get someone to send a photo, thanks alot!
     
  6. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Walrus - if you really love these plants you should go through the other 88 threads in this section. Most are Scott's plants and some he has hybridized himself. Why have logs shipped from Hawaii, just across the Gulf you have someone with a very impressive collection.

    You gotta get a Pink Floyd
     
  7. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    moose, where do i find these thread, this site is a little hard to navigate on day 2?
     
  8. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    moose , thanks i see what threads you're talking about.
     
  9. tropicalken

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    My ti plants have been blooming for the past couple of months, with more to come. Unfortunately none of the flowers have set any berries. Could it be cool weather or a lack of a pollinator? I wonder if going around with a brush would increase the chances for forming some berries?
     
  10. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Ken, I would give the brush pollination a try if you do not notice any pollinators. I notice honey bees and wasp on my Ti flowers every day.
     
  11. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Do you need a Pink Floyd fix Ron? I will get you some photos soon and a update on the second Pink Floyd.
     
  12. tropicalken

    tropicalken Active Member

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    This may be the problem. I haven't noticed any pollinators visiting my ti plants. I'll give the brush a try.
     
  13. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    A pleasant surprise this year has been a mini population explosion in bees. Something that has been noticeably lacking in recent years. And they seem to like the Ti Plants quite a bit. With all my new flowers, I'll make note and see if I have good seed production.
     
  14. tropicalken

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    I wish you good luck in seed production. I have noticed bees here, but none on the ti plants. This week they seem occupied by the hundreds on my blooming Dombeya tree.
     
  15. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Busy bees... Img_7589.jpg Img_7598.jpg Img_7611.jpg Img_7638.jpg
     
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  16. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Great photography, Scott!
     
  17. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Thanks Anna! At times think I take to many pictures. Are you interested in starting some Ti from seed?
     
  18. tropicalken

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    Send some bees to my ti plants. They seem to prefer other things that are blooming in the yard.
     
  19. annafl

    annafl Esteemed Member

    Oh, I don't know, Scott. I'm trying my hand at hybridizing crotons and I think I'll dabble with that for a while. I don't have time to do anything more, but I sure am enjoying your endeavors with the tis.
     
  20. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    No such thing as "too many pictures." :muffit:
     
  21. KennyRE317

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    interesting to read that you never could keep one alive in socal. i know of 2 homes in the neighborhood that i pass by daily that have a "green Ti" both are grown outdoors with very little care. now that i have a camera on my phone that's decent i'll take some photos in a bit when i take the dog out for the morning walk
     
  22. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    As noted elsewhere - there are several, if not many, "green Ti Plants" out there. I would be curious to see a pic, although they can be difficult to differentiate sometimes without proper scale and perspective. I tried growing my Hawaiian Green Ti in shade - perhaps not the best exposure.

    Here is what I call Green Ti - the typical and traditional Hawaiian Green Ti that everyone cooks with.
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    Here is another variety - much smaller and more compact.
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    Here is one that would probably grow fine in SoCal. Much thicker leaves. It may not even be a C. fruticosa. But I haven't seen it elsewhere .
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    Here is a much smaller leaved "Green Ti"
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    This looks to be a dwarf form of the Hawaiian Ti - same exact form, just smaller all around.
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    Here is another that has a tinge of color in the petiole when placed in full sun - but otherwise another "Green Ti"
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    And another
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    And yet another that gets sold as "Green Ti" but isn't even a Cordyline - I think it is a type of Dracaena
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    And I have another that a pig just ate the top off, with slightly ruffled edges and a floppy leaf. And I know of some several green Cordyline australis as well.
     
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  23. ScotTi

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    Dean, Do any of your Green Ti have a very fine red edge to the leaf? I purchased from Hawaii last Summer what was sold as 2 Green Hawaiian Ti logs. The green one has a very fine red edge trim and has proven to be a very fast grower with rather large leaves. The other log turned out red, but that's ok with me.
     
  24. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes Scott - I have one variety with a super thin red edge, and another with a super thin purple edge - neither pictured above.

    But the traditional Green Ti is strictly green - no color anywhere.
     
  25. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Here is a close up of my green Ti showing a little color on the leaf edge. Img_8661.jpg
     
  26. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    I was surprised with this seedling that was green with pink edge for the last 2 years. Img_8684.jpg
     
  27. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    walrus New Member

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    plant3.jpg
     
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    walrus New Member

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    Dean: here is what I consider La'i, "green Ti" that I have been growing in So.CA from a cutting from family's yard in HI, about 6 foot at time we cut it up. This is the first time that the green has sent out inflorescence; it has a light purple outer appearance but the flowers have not begun to open. We have used the leaves for food prep. but mostly hula comp. skirts and haku.

    Is this what you consider traditional Hawaiian Green Ti?
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  32. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    your ti looks just like the one i have, mine is a little wind whipped, but it was beautiful last summer, keep it in the shade, pretty intense here, in july and august
     
  33. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    i started my old plant, vertically , the logs i just started, and are sprouting, i am doing them laying down, because it was to hard to figure out, top from bottom, when i transplant them should i leave part of the log above ground. tempted to cut one that has a lot of sprouts in half, i don't know if both pieces would die?
     
  34. ScotTi

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    How long is the log you want to cut in half? If is a 8"+ log I would say cut it. With the green Ti it may be ok to cut a 6" log in half. When you transplant cover the log with 1/8" - 1/4". If you like a really nice full bushy looking Ti let all the sprouts develop together.
     
  35. walrus

    walrus New Member

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    their 3", i'll leave them be,thanks
     

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