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Search for Crotons in old Miami area

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Moose, Oct 30, 2009.

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  1. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Well fellow Crotonheads, I have been out and about in an old Miami Neighborhood and tried to spy some old plants. I will try and id what I think they may be. Please correct me if I err.

    This first house is just 1/2 a block north of Lummus Park which is right next to 1-95 by downtown Miami. This house is pre-1920's and is one of the few remaining original houses in the neighborhood at N.W 4th Avenue and 3rd Street.

    This first one looks like a Thanksgiving type cultivar but does not the pink spotting. Any ideas? The trunk is about 5 inches in diameter. This poor plant has been unloved for years.
     

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  2. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    This next cultivar I believe is Andreanum at the same house. Very old plant, see how thick the trunk is (about 4 1/2 inches). This plant gets blasted by sun most of the day.
     

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  3. Jeff Searle

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    Ron,

    I seriously doubt if this croton has or ever has had a name. It's not exactly very pretty, IMO. But, it's great your making the rounds to find some, maybe I should drive down and hook up one weekend day and see what we can find driving around together.


    Jeff
     
  4. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    This last one at this house I think is Franklin Roosevelt. Also very unloved.
     

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  5. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    This next house is located at N.W. 8th Court and 11th Street. I need an Id on this one please. See how fat the trunk is, evidence of a real old plant. This house looks to like it was built in early 1930's.

    *** This is a less than savory neighborhood, enjoy the photos but don't go there please.
     

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  6. Moose

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    Same house, do not have a clue what this old cultivar. Nice coloring, you old time croton fans - please help with an id please.
     

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  7. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Same house, same cultivar different plant on the east side of the house. Real big plant, big trunk and old aged
     

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  8. Moose

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    This I believe is a very old General Padget. This house is abutted up against the south side of State Road 836 directly south of the University of Miami's Medical School. The street name is Spring Garden Road.
     

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  9. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Same House: This plant is very old, not loved and not very remarkable in color. Do not have a clue what it is.
     

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  10. Jeff Searle

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    Ron,

    I believe this one is the Johanna Coppinger sport, on page 95 in the book.
     
  11. Moose

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    This is a very very old Andreanum at N.W. 7th Street and 7th Street Road. The trunk is over 12 inches in diameter. Look at the car on the left to see how big this croton is.
     

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  12. Moose

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    This is another very old croton. At first I thought it looked like Mammey. It looks more like Curley Boy. This trunk is over 14 inches in diameter. It is growing beneath a massive Delonix tree.
     

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  13. Moose

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    This croton was found growing on the front area of an empty lot. Looks like the home was removed quite some time ago. This is at N.W. 10th Avenue and 7th Street. It looks very similar to the Unknown Croton post Jeff Searle made yesterday.
     

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  14. Moose

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    These crotons were found two lots further south of the vacant lot on NW 10th Avenue. Don't know what either one is. Would someone care to make an id? The middle picture is a very yellow sport.
     

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  15. Moose

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    Next one - any ideas. Old plant.
     

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  16. Moose

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    This house is a little closer to home. I believe the house is from the late 1930's or early 1940's. Anyone care to id this one?
     

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  17. Moose

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    Here are the last photos. At the same house as the last post. Care to make an Id?
     

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  18. ScotTi

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    Ron, It looks like Andreanum to me also.
     
  19. Moose

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    Phil said it is being referred to as, tongue in cheek, "Ugly". ?
     
  20. fawnridge

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    Moose - You've got too many Crotons in one thread. Even if I could ID some of these, tying them back to the photos will be very confusing. Might I suggest you break up these threads into just a few in each?
     
  21. Phil Stager

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    or number the photos.
     
  22. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Sorry about my layout guys. Perhaps you could refer to the post number in the upper right hand corner. I just checked - there are no multiple cultivars on any one single post. Example: Post #3 cultivar is...

    Ron.:)
     
  23. Moose

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    I guess some of these may remain without I.D.'s? :rolleyes:
     
  24. Jeff Searle

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    Ron,

    Bring a sample cutting of each one to the meeting next week.:cool:
     

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