Well fellow Crotonheads, I have been out and about in an old Miami Neighborhood and tried to spy some old plants. I will try and id what I think they may be. Please correct me if I err. This first house is just 1/2 a block north of Lummus Park which is right next to 1-95 by downtown Miami. This house is pre-1920's and is one of the few remaining original houses in the neighborhood at N.W 4th Avenue and 3rd Street. This first one looks like a Thanksgiving type cultivar but does not the pink spotting. Any ideas? The trunk is about 5 inches in diameter. This poor plant has been unloved for years.