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Remember Kyoto???

Discussion in 'INTERESTING, INSIGHTFUL, PROVOCATIVE, EDUCATIONAL' started by Dypsisdean, May 27, 2014.

  1. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    It's been 7 years now, but I remember that the U.S. took a lot of flak for deciding not to sign on to what the world's politicians were telling us we needed to do, or face certain doom. They apparently were under the impression that they had the answer, and the U.S. needed to do as they thought best.

    Does anyone else find it ironic that.....
    "In 2012, with a surprising twist and without ever ratifying it, the United States became the first major industrialized nation in the world to meet the United Nation’s original Kyoto Protocol 2012 target for CO2 reductions."

    Or surprising that this news received so little press?

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/05/usa-meets-kyoto-protocol-without-ever-embracing-it/
     
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  2. Jerry@TreeZoo

    Jerry@TreeZoo Well-Known Member

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    Ah! A new forum. What are the rules?

    As far as meeting the Kyoto Accords, that is easy if your economy has stalled. Less factory and automobile emissions.

    Cars have traditionally been considered big time polluters. Can anybody guess what the gasoline consumption numbers have done in the last 11 years? Without looking it up, could anybody take a guess?
     
  3. Dypsisdean

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    New rules are simple Jerry - just what the banner at the top says. If things get too crazy, then I'll move that topic to the private area, and continue it there.

    I would guess gasoline usage has gone down - and that is because Big Governments have made it a law - right?
     
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  4. Jerry@TreeZoo

    Jerry@TreeZoo Well-Known Member

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    You might say that gasoline consumption might have gone up because of the slight (ahem) recovery. You might say it has stayed the same. You might say that vehicles are getting better fuel mileage now. That there are alternative fuels like electric or hybrid cars. You might think that these things and a not so robust economy has led to less gasoline consumption.

    You would be right to think consumption has gone down. But by how much? 1%? 5%? 25%? Nope, not any of those numbers. It is quite a bit more than that.

    The reduction in gasoline consumption over the last 11 years is an astounding 75%!

    I did not believe it either. Take a look at the official numbers:

    http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=a103600001&f=m

    A high of 66,812.7 thousand gallons per day in August 2003 compared to a recent 18,459 thousand gallons per day in March of 2014.

    This is a simple and understandable consumable that shows that the US economy is a shadow of its former self. The plateau was actually August of 1998, stagnation until 2003 and a sharp decline there after. This spans several presidential administrations and congresses. It is everybody at fault. It is an endemic problem that we can't even see, like the frog being slowly boiled. Our economy is crashing and we fiddle while Rome burns.
     
  5. Dypsisdean

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    It's sad - until it is recognized that too much of the national economic output is being consumed, constrained, taxed, reapportioned, and mismanaged by Big Gov, the job numbers and economic growth numbers will never again be what we became used to during those horribly capitalistic times.

    And the polisticrats that have given us this new economy will continue to get just enough votes to keep them in power, with just enough money rolling in, to give just enough freebies, to just enough uninformed people who will allow them to keep their plush and cozy positions of privilege.
     
  6. I remember a LITTLE about Kyoto. We were supposed to reduce our carbon emissions (slit our own throats) so that China and India could INCREASE THEIR carbon emissions (overgrow us), and that would somehow save the polar bears. It was a TERRIBLE deal for us....... so I don't know why the politicians didn't force it on us.
     

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