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Poor Rafael

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Moose, Aug 3, 2010.

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  1. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Poor Rafael - Firstly I planted this croton in too much sun. Next, although planted out of the reach of my royal palm, I thought ... :eek:

    I came home about a month ago with 4 huge green 15+ Ft. heavy royal palm fronds laying on top of this croton. Extracation began imediately and I was ill as to what was found. Well it has made a bit of a comeback. It was looking real good before and will take about a year to get it back to where it was. This cultivar is not very fast in my opinion. :rolleyes:
     

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  2. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    Moose -
    Royal palms and crotons under them - here's some more of what happens...

    1. This was a 4 ft tall Eleanor Roosevelt last fall. That's about 3/4" diam of wood in the pic. At least this one broke off fairly cleanly so I got a load of cuttings to root.

    2 & 3. A nice Sybil Griffin got nailed about two weeks ago. No clean break on this one but instead an 18" long tear along the trunk. *&^%$#@! Two more cuttings off this one.

    Royals and crotons means you going to have a few unplanned broken branches and squashed plants.
     

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  3. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    ..and here's a pic of what was sold to me as Raphael. Leaves are about 6" long.
     

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  4. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Yea, that's no Raphael. You got jipped on the colors.

    Ron, sorry to see the damage, but it's to be expected if it's under a massive Royal palm. About 6 months ago, my one year old dog decided to chew a couple of crotons where he was laying right down to the ground. From 3-4', to about 6" in one afternoon. S**t happens....
     
  5. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    If the last plant has some pink on the older leaves, it's Rubens.
     
  6. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    That's it! memory does not improve with aging... besides Raphael was Italian and Rubens was Dutch...
     
  7. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    The royal was planted 16 years ago. The croton was planted away from the palm. In all the time the palm has been there, I have never picked up a frond from this area. We got some weird rain event where a cell hit this royal and sheared 4 green fronds off that were no where near to being ready to shead. The fronds unfortunately found their way on top of Poor Rafael. :(

    Same event - Bismarckia frong hit my Diane and Red Eburnum. Diane is so fast and the damage was minor. Red Eburnum got wacked pretty good especially on the airlayer I had going. At least these cultivars will recover faster than the Rafael. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Rafael is looking much better...
     

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  9. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Ron, The Royal can be hard on anything planted in its strike zone. I plant nothing important near my Royal.
     

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  10. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    ...and here's another reaon why Royal Palm fronds and crotons do not mix. Disaster averted by about 6 inches. Otherwise the Three Toes, Wootens Beauty, and others would be sticks - and then consigned to the bag house to get rooted alongwith some other casualties.
     

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  11. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Phil, that Three Toes is too new to be flattened yet LOL.
     
  12. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    I moved Poor Rafael out of the falling Royal Palm strike zone. At least so I thought. This past summer it got nailed in its new location. Never seen a fronds land this far out, must have been some pretty heavy wind. Poor Rafael can't catch a break.

    Rafael 1.JPG Rafael 2.JPG

    It took until now for his recovery to be well under way.
     
  13. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    oh - found another photo from about a week ago

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