My post on the Queen palm explosion of planting here in the bay area..well,I've been saying for years things are growing here I couldn't get to do well in the 70's. Or even survive. What I wonder has any old timer Palm enthusiasts in soucal seen the same extension of tropicalia? More tender plants now being grown? I read somebody is growing Vanilla orchids in soucal outdoors. Any palms now that you thought 20,30,40 years a go weren't worth the effort..now are?