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Need I.D. Help part 5

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Moose, Sep 13, 2009.

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  1. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Another shameful I.D. :eek: request for these two. I really love the first one, it seems unusual. The second one has small leaves and I believe may be a common variety.

    Croton fetus, Ron. :confused:
     

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  2. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    King of Siam is the curly leaf. Hard to tell by the photo as to the size of the leaf, but the other one looks like Mammay.
     
  3. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    I don't think it is Mammay because of small stature. The leaves are about three inches, it looks very simular to the Batik. Growing at a municipal building so I don't think they are getting much attention other than mulch occasionally. These are are growing in full sun. Does that help any?
     
  4. Borgy230

    Borgy230 Active Member

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    Ron, I think it is batik, the samller one that is. Just different cause its in sun.
     
  5. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    Well, with leaves that small, it's Batik. However, there is a variety that's called Tom Thumb which was also sold as "Dwarf Mammay" that has more red than orange and yellow.
     
  6. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    If spot size is a distinguishing factor, that first plant is Wizard of Oz. There is a cultivar out there with the same leaf shape and smaller, more profuse spotting. Whether the spotting is a different cultivar or a result of different light conditions is still up for debate.
     
  7. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ray,

    This looks like King of Siam all the way. I would sure like to see this other cultivar that looks alot like this one. Because I've never seen another croton that even looks remotely close. Maybe the Queen of Siam, but this has the red in it.


    Jeff
     
  8. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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  9. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    The one in the photo looks pink to me. Red is the King for sure.
     
  10. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Definitely pink. I took the picture at 11:00 am right after church. Sun has not even started filtering on it yet. :(

    Ron. :)
     
  11. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Maybe some misunderstanding from my reply above. I was saying that the Queen has red, where as this plant in question( yellows and pink) is the King.
     
  12. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Jeff,

    I've always heard the Queen was pink and the King was red. Now I'm more confused than before.

    Ray
     
  13. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ray,

    I don't have the book in front of me, but both varieties are on the same page. Look it up and see what you think. I have both the King and Queen in the yard. Their very different. The queen actually came from Dr Brown a few years ago. And it grows alot slower for me than the King.


    Jeff
     
  14. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Jeff,

    I think it was Johnny Shelton that told me the two photo names were reversed in the book. Do you have a copy of his book corrections? I may have it as a MS Word file at home if you'd like a copy.

    Ray
     
  15. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ray,

    That's pretty interesting. If Johnny told you this, that's new to me. Because for as long as I've been growing crotons, the "Queen" has always been the one with the red in it. The one you don't see around very much. And......my Queen(with red) was the one I bought from Dr Brown.

    Anyways, I will find out for sure very soon. Bob Alonzo is coming over for the day to spend all (lol!) day at the nursery and then my house to go over every plant in my collection.I can certainly clear this up with him, as I have both plants planted near each other. I'm doing this in preparation prior to my sale.


    Jeff
     
  16. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Jeff,

    Great news about Bob. Please let us know what he says because I'm as confused as can be.

    Ray
     
  17. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    And I have been scratching my head as well all day today!

    Jeff
     
  18. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Ray - I would love to have a copy of the corrections to leave in my book for reference. :cool:

    Ron. :)
     
  19. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Ray,
    I'd love to have a copy of the corrections too. I had heard the same thing about the King and the Queen but it would be nice to have all of the corrections. Thanks,
    Marie
     
  20. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    I'll scan it and see how it looks attached here. Or perhaps, Dean has a better way?

    If that doesn't work, I'll need your e-mail Ron. I have your e-mail Marie.
     

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