Mystery Croton from DR

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Judy Glock, Aug 8, 2009.

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  1. Judy Glock

    Judy Glock Active Member

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    The first picture is of the parent plant to our mystery croton. Cuttings from this plant were brought back from the Dominican Republic biennial several years ago by well known and prominent croton grower/collector. I was lucky enough to persuade this fine gentleman to part with one of his small cuttings. I brought this down to the Keys and it is doing quite well as you can see by the second photo. The one thing that I would like to know about this croton is it's name. Please chime in on your thoughts.

    Judy Glock (aka Croton Whore)
     

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  2. Jim Glock

    Jim Glock Active Member

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    I am doing my part to help solve the what is the 'Mystery Croton from DR". I thought that it might help if I could ID the hand in the parent plant picture. I have used my unique "Hand Search" program to match the orgianal hand with over 6000 photos in my data base. I did come up with one match. But alas no body to go with the hand.
     

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  3. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Judy,

    First things first, those pictures of your croton are just amazing! I hope everyone chimes in with their opinions. We really need to have Bob Alonzo take a look at it. But, I have a feeling that this is a un-named variety that needs to be named. Ray, Lee, Phil, Ricky.....any clues? Because I sure don't know.


    Second thing.......that picture of the unknown hand "squeezing" the life at of that poor root, damn, what a grip! Maybe we can have a jewelry check at the next meeting.:D Very, very cool........

    Jeff
     
  4. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    I haven't a clue as to the ID of that Croton, but I'm grabbing a box of ziploc bags and booking a flight to the DR this afternoon. As far as the squeeze on the Pandanus root, well, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
     
  5. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    I've got one called Fordii that resembles your plant but is not nearly as colorful as the parent - close but no cigar again. .and FWIW, no crotons in downtown Pittsburgh - good to be back after fofur days up there.

    Phil
     
  6. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Go to crotons.net and check out the plant named Grenada under Rare Library.
     
  7. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Jim & Judy - did you ever get an ID? :confused: If not, has it been given a name? :confused:

    It looks very, very nice. Any updated photos around? :confused:
     
  8. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    To all...

    Don't waste your time going to Crotons.net or, for that matter, Crotonmania.net. These two sites are about as pathetic as you can get. I don't even know why they waste their time keeping them up.

    Anyways, Judy's plant is really looking awesome these days. It's definitely a seedling that came up over in the garden and is in need of a name. Maybe she can update us w/ a new picture.
     
  9. koki

    koki Active Member

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    It looks a little like Tiger Eye only it has a lot more red. Why not call it Red Tiger?
     
  10. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Judy,
    What is the name of the pastel in the upper right corner of the photo of the cutting that you're growing? Is it Da VInci?
    Marie
     
  11. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    Wow,missed this thread,that's a winner
     
  12. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    It looks like a Claude Lorraine, but maybe Judy can answer this if she takes notice. I do know Judy dosen't have a Da Vinci.
     
  13. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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  14. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ray,

    That's a gorgeous plant! I'm just not too sure if this and Judy's are one in the same. The biggest difference I see is, your plant has distinct pointed shoulders, and all of the leaves on Judy's plant has rounded shoulders. What do you think? Is this Grenada plant around in any collections that you know of? Hope it's not another "lost" plant.
    Jeff
     
  15. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Jeff,

    I wish Grenada was in my collection but it is not. This one, unfortunately, has probably been lost like so many other beauties.

    Ray
     
  16. crotons.net

    crotons.net Active Member

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    Hello all I enjoy reading these forums and find them very informative.Most of you guys seem like reasonable people and hopefully everyone will understand my reasoning behind this request.But if you look at the posts above this one you will see that I am not really welcome here as some people criticize my web site but then take my photos and post them here without credit to my site. I do not want to start trouble and would not mind if someone asked to use my photos at the very least have the common courtesy to ask and give my site credit. I have been collecting these plants for 12 years and as you know many of these plants are very hard to find. So wouldn't it make sense that a photo of the plant is hard to find as well? Please do not post photos from my site without my permission.
    Thanks
    Bud crotons.net
     
  17. crotons.net

    crotons.net Active Member

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    heres the real photo unedited
     

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  18. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    As you can clearly see above in post #6, the original discussion of Grenada features mention of the Crotons.net website and this specific photo . Since being referenced here, the entire rare images section from crotons.net has been taken down. This includes the image posted above.
     
  19. crotons.net

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    Thank you
     
  20. ScotTi

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    Bud, Have seen your site and think it is well done. Views expressed here in post #8 are not my opinion. Keep up the good work!
     
  21. crotons.net

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    Thank you for understanding and I do understand that most images are cached on the web and can be found.
    Honestly it was taken down before it was mentioned here but I do know my own photos even when altered.As you can see my photo was altered and this is not the first time. I have thousands of photos of crotons, many that members seem to think that the plants are long gone I do not put them on my site for this reason.I had considered adding some photos to the wiki but I had second thoughts as a few people are disrespectful to me. My site is the first croton web site on the internet and I have spent many years searching, collecting and photographing these plants . Here's an example.......... The problem I have is when someone uses a photo from Dr browns book they give him credit they would not think of using the photo because it belongs to him or they would give him credit or ask permission , But go to crotons .net and download the image and anyone can use it as if it is their own .I would like to thank you for giving my site credit for the photo and linking to my site.Thanks again
     
  22. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    Wow,Grenada is spectacular.I have never seen this one,does anyone still have this??
     
  23. palmisland

    palmisland Well-Known Member

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    Bud, As a semi un-professional part time photographer, I understand the importance of giving credit or getting permission before posting copyrighted photos. Your site is a great addition to the Croton community. Please keep it up.

    -Randy
     
  24. Sergey

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    Thank you very much for the picture. Very nice photo and beautiful plant.
    Have you got history of this variety?
     
  25. Sergey

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    Is Grenada an extinct variety? Or a rare image of the rare croton?
     
  26. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    After the fall meeting at Jeff's and seeing this plant in person, I'm thinking it's croton Fordii.
     
  27. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Phil may have a nice Fordii, perhaps he would be kind enough to post a photo for comparison. :confused:
     
  28. Phil Stager

    Phil Stager Well-Known Member

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    here you go Moose - this is what I've been calling Fordii - no resemblance to anything else in this thread
     

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  29. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Mine is more spotted than blotched. Of course, we must also keep in mind the DR versus Central Florida factor. Different temps, light, soil etc make for two identical yet different plants. Onward through the fog....
     
  30. Crotonologist

    Crotonologist Active Member

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    From:

    books.jpg

    Croton fordii description:

    books (1).jpg
    books (2).jpg
     
  31. Crotonologist

    Crotonologist Active Member

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    And from:

    Veitch, James H.
    Hortus Veitchii :a history of the rise and progress of the nurseries of Messrs. James Veitch and Sons, together with an account of the botanical collectors and hybridists employed by them and a list of the most remarkable of their introductions. London : J. Veitch & Sons, 1906.

    CROTON FORDII, Hort.
    Veitchs' Catlg. of PI. 1880, p. 20.
    A dwarf-growing form with richly coloured trilobed leaves.
     
  32. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    The amazing Peyton strikes again. We have an official Croton Society sleuth.
     
  33. koki

    koki Active Member

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    Or a "crotonologist" you might say.
     

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