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Is this Duke of Winsor?

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Moose, Sep 25, 2009.

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  1. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Now you can see how bad I am at making a croton cultivar I.D. Spotted this one earlier this evening on my way home and stopped to get the picture. I find this plant to have very attractive coloring. If I had to guess, I would say it is Duke of Winsor. :confused:

    Now what is it really? :rolleyes:

    Thanks, Ron. :)
     

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  2. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    No. That's "Sunrise" page 98 in the book. I have two of these in the ground and neither one looks as good as yours.

    Here is "Duke of Windsor" - a common sport from "Stoplight":

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  3. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ricky,

    The picture of "Sunrise" on page 98 dosen't look anything like the two in Ron's pictures. Are we on the same "page"?
     
  4. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    Here's the photo from the book. Call me crazy, but they look the same to me:

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    And here's a shot of my "Sunrise", identified at the first meeting at Rick's house by all present:

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  5. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    The Bob Alonzo photo seems to have more orange in it than the photo I posted. However, The photo of Ricky's plant does look like a dead ringer to the one I posted. Another I.D. debate to follow I am sure. :eek:

    Ron. :)
     
  6. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    The book photo has much less orange than the picture; blame it on the cheap scanner. Here's the "Sunrise" today, after a couple of years in the ground. The new leaf is 16" long! Again, sorry for the flash washout, but the good camera is already packed for a barbecue contest we're heading to in a few hours. The yellow Croton in the lower right is "Lyrata" from a cutting we took in Jamaica 18 months ago.

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    And here's that same "Duke of Windsor" several years later. This one has been in two different places in the garden thanks to Wilma:

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  7. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Ron,

    The plant in your photo has more red and a slightly different leaf shape than DoW. That's just my two cents. Whatever you've got there is nice and worth propagating ;)

    Ray
     
  8. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Ray - that is definitely going to happen. The croton in my photo is growing two blocks from my home just feet from the street adjacent to a telephone pole in full western expose sun. This croton has been unloved and ignored for years. The leaves may be larger and more colorful if propagated in optimal conditions. I gotta try! ;)

    It does look like Ricky's plants that were given to him as "Sunrise" :confused:

    Ron :)
     
  9. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    After I make some succesful airlayers of this croton, what should I put on the tag? "Sunrise cv, maybe" ??? :rolleyes:

    Ron. :)
     
  10. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Ron,
    It could be a Carmen Christian. Look at the picture on P. 108 of Brown's book. When I first saw your picture, that's what came to mind.
    Marie
     
  11. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    I have been staring at pg. 98 "Sunrise" and page 108
    "Carmen Christian" and blowing up my photos for comparison. Both cultivars a little simular than different to me. I think Marie may be correct as it seem more like "Carmen Christian" :eek:
     

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