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Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Central Floridave, Feb 28, 2011.

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  1. Central Floridave

    Central Floridave Active Member

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    A couple years ago I found a super dwarf leaf bush about 2 feet high outside a store. I grabbed a cutting and I forgot I had it has it was deep under some brush. I pulled it out and see it is still kicking. Obviously a super slow grower and dwarf leaf. Kinda cute.
     

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  2. fawnridge

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    Nice pink color, almost looks like a dwarf Rheedii.
     
  3. Jeff Searle

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    Dave, that's pretty nice. I'm sure it was a seedling that came up from something else, who know's when. According to butler it's a just an un-named variety. I say, screw that and put a nice little name on it, because it's something new. And your entitled to that unless it's later determined to already have a name. And then you would use the first name given to it.
    Jeff
     
  4. fawnridge

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    Jeff - Not that I'm defending DB, but it is an un-named variety at this point. And of course, there's that old story about sleeping dogs and leaving them alone, right?
     
  5. Jeff Searle

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    I understand, I just see so often that a croton that dosen't have a name, often ends up with several names on it. If someone would just do some research, or find out over time if maybe it had a name(but lost) and then finds nothing, I think one name should be put on it so everyone can recogonize it as one. I've talked to Dr Brown and Bob Alonzo many times about this and they both always direct me to the same point, if it dosen't have a legit name, then name it! So others can continue using the same name. If later, it becomes a plant that a majority think is something else(named already) then it's first original name should be used.
     
  6. Crotonologist

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    I agree.
    And I would add to all that with this: document it as much as possible. This thread is some documentation, but will soon be lost in a maze of old threads, so add it to the wiki with as much info as possible documenting who found it where and when (dates!) and then put a name on it whenever you decide what it should be called...
    I also think that a named cultivar should be able to be propagated and reproduced true-to-type with definable characteristics, that is it should be a stable cultivar, otherwise the name won't really mean a whole lot...
     
  7. Crotonologist

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    BTW, very cool little croton!
     
  8. Marie Nock

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    I just went out to look at my Rose Charmer and I think that's what you have there. Very small pink leaves; mine are darker because they've been in light. It's a very slow grower - mine is 8" tall after 3 years from a cutting from Bob Alonso
     
  9. Crotonologist

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    Marie, can you post a photo of your Rose Charmer?
    I think we need a wiki page on this one...
    Thanks.
     
  10. Phil Stager

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    Here's a Rose Charmer from Ray about two or three years ago. It is SLOW.
     

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  11. Crazy for Crotons

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    Hold onto that one and air layer in the coming years Phil. I wish its parent was still alive.
     
  12. Central Floridave

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    Maybe it is a rose charmer. This weekend I'll go check out the store I got this cutting from to see if it is still there. If it is, I'll grab more cuttings. It is a slow grower, but survived the past two winters with minimal care.
     
  13. Central Floridave

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    to follow up. I went to the location yesterday to see if the mother still existed and it is gone. It is over on the mainland which gets colder than the barrier islands. I'll try to get this cute little croton to speed up some and give it better conditions. It was under my oak canopy and lost under some shrubs for a couple years. I'm going to pot it up and give it some tender loving care.
     
  14. junglegal

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    How about an update Dave.
     
  15. Central Floridave

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    I planted it in the ground. It hasn't moved much. We suffered a very bad drought and it still made it through in a container. Its raining now for the past week so maybe it will like its new home. I'll take an updated photo later tonight.
     
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  17. Jeff Searle

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    I really don't think it's Rose Charmer.
     
  18. Phil Stager

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    Wrong leaf shape for Rose Charmer.
     
  19. Crotonologist

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    Still a charmer, whatever it is... :D
     
  20. Central Floridave

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    It looks like it has grown a little bit since being in the ground. crotonflower2.jpg
     
  21. fawnridge

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    It's starting to look like Elaine.
     
  22. Jeff Searle

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    Dave,

    Well it's certainly not Rose Charmer, and dosen't quite look like Elaine either to me. The mother plant is now gone, and your plant could possibly be the last remaining piece of it. Take good care of it and come up with a good name, and document it in Wiki too.
     
  23. Crazy for Crotons

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    It's the plant known in the trade as Nervia. Johnny Shelton told me several years ago that it is another AFD creation but he was uncertain about the number. On rare occasions, Home Depot has carried this plant. I have one that survived the freeze but has struggled somewhat to regain its good looks. Even in deep shade, this plant keeps gorgeous pink color.
     
  24. Central Floridave

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    recent photo:

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  26. Crazy for Crotons

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    The link has a really BAD photo of Nervia. I'm fairly certain that's what it is.
     
  27. Jeff Searle

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    Not sure, but to me it dosen't look even close to Nervia. Has way too much pink in it.
     
  28. Jeff Searle

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    After just looking at the picture in the link again, it dosen't look AT ALL like Nervia. Sorry.
     
  29. Central Floridave

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    Hey look, new growth.

    croton500.jpg
     
  30. Crazy for Crotons

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    The photo in the link sucks. I see pink on the new growth which turns to a nice rose shade. I'm not convinced 100% but Nervia is the most likely candidate. The leaf shape is certainly there.
     
  31. Central Floridave

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    crot102.jpg

    Updated photo on this one. It looks like it is going to take and has gotten stronger in the ground. It is under heavy canopy protection.
     
  32. ScotTi

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    Here is Nervia.
     

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  33. Central Floridave

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    Thanks for the photo of nervia. Looks very similar with a slight color difference.
     
  34. Central Floridave

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    July 2013 update. Still growing slow as ever. It is in deep shade though. Maybe I should transplant it in more sun.

    It has a distinct pink edge on the leaf. Does that give it away any?

    IMG_9258.jpg
     

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