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Exotica, does it exist?

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Moose, Nov 1, 2010.

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  1. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    I have been looking everywhere for this croton cultivar. Does it exist? :rolleyes:
     
  2. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    Kurt Decker (sp?) who owned 84 Nursery in Davie had one many years ago. It was in a 15-gallon can and he wanted $1000 for it.
     
  3. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm, there's something in the works. ( I hope )
     
  4. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    I saw one about 2 months ago. It had been obtained from Johnny Shelton's collection.
     
  5. Borgy230

    Borgy230 Active Member

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    I know one exists on the west coast for sure, unless it was hit by the cold.

    However, its possible this one might become fairly abundant soon ;)

    stay tuned..........
     
  6. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Between this and the Tapestry mystery, I'm not sure what to expect.
     
  7. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Lol!.........:D
     
  8. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Rob - you sound like the cat who ate the canary. What gives Dude? Is it going to be available at the Glock's Holiday Get Together????? :)
     
  9. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Even if one shows up for auction, it will still be as rare as hens teeth. That means that perhaps a handful of plants exist worldwide.
     
  10. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    Where is the one from the photograph on page 58?
     
  11. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Ricky, that may have been John Bender's plant.
     
  12. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Rob dosen't have any, I don't have any, and I don't know anyone that has any. That's how rare this croton is. We need to find some!!!
     
  13. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Marie Nock told me she doesn't have one either. :(
     
  14. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Post #3 + #5 = were trying, were trying.
     
  15. keith

    keith Active Member

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    I never seen Exotica at Benders house
     
  16. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    While were discussing a very beautiful and extreamly rare croton, look what happened to the Davis collection in North Miami. When the house was sold to the next owner, he decided to let the majority of crotons be dug and sold. People like Kurt Decker and Jesse Durko got the majority of these plants, only to do very little propagation and to take a responsible approach to preserve them,and little by little many of his hybrids were lost. Johnny Shelton wasn't much better. For me personally, I wasn't able to get anything worthwhile from him either. All three of these gentlemen are now out of the loop.

    During his time, John Bender and still to this day, Frank Brown have done and still do a great job with sharing their plants and maintaining a real, first class collection.
     
  17. fawnridge

    fawnridge Well-Known Member

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    Jeff - Add yourself to that list that includes Dr. Brown and John Bender. Having personally spent a bunch of years in the landscape trade, your nursery stands out for having more Croton varieties than 99% of those that I dealt with. The only other real Croton collection would be Boynton Botanicals, but even then, their involvement with the Society has been very limited.
     
  18. Borgy230

    Borgy230 Active Member

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    as I said, I have a feeling that this croton will be popping up very soon.......... i may not have one YET.............
     
  19. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Popping up Rob? In mass quantities "Magnificent" style? I sure hope so.
     
  20. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Ray, You may also see these popping up also in mass soon: Lucha, Carow, Congo, Nervia, Red Ruiz and Rocio
     
  21. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Scott, how have you come by this information? I sure hope this is true. Bob Alonzo told me that Yuletide is making its way into the trade.
     
  22. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Thanks to Jeff, some Yuletides have been distributed. :cool:

    Now back to Rob's prediction in post # 18 about Exotica popping up and becoming available? :confused: As Clara Peller stated many years ago, "Where's the Beef"? LOL :rolleyes:

     
  23. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    It exists. Not here but it exists. Now Tapestry I'm not sure about.
     
  24. Jeff Searle

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    A few of us did see an Exotica recently in a private collection, west coast, but still a very, very small plant. As far as I know, Tapestry might be lost.

    Rob never did get any Exoticas so the chase is still on.
     
  25. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Update: some Exoticas did finally get located and a few lucky ones have them in their collections.

    The Moose is soooooo unlucky :(
     
  26. Marie Nock

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    Foremost is bringing in unrooted cuttings of a croton from Costa Rica that they are calling Exotico. When I saw the picture, it looked more like a Reliance or Willy - definitely not Exotica.
     
  27. Moose

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    Marie - was unaware that Foremost was marketing a croton as Exotico. My reference is to those beauties that came from "those islands" in the Pacific! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  28. kwtimo

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    Imagine how excited I was when I recently saw a grower advertising Codiaeum Exotica in a regional plant finder available in 1 and 3 gallon pots. I also believed it was too good to be true. I anxiously called the grower and asked him to send me a picture of what he is calling Exotica, and he responded quickly with the pic below, saying it was called Exotico. Hmmm, I knew it was too good to be true. Exotica is at the top of my very long and ever growing list of desired crotons for my small 20130626_103910_1.jpeg collection, and I will continue to beat on doors to purchase one. Being that I live in the Keys where conditions are really sweet for growing crotons as many of the forum members say, I am up for the challenge to grow this one out!
     
  29. andy

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    notice the sport growing top of pic
     

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  30. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Nice Andy! How long have you had this plant and how small was it? Mine is tiny and has struggled all along.
     
  31. kurt decker

    kurt decker Well-Known Member

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    I know the exact story on this and can clear up a few things. The only real exotica around was a nice 3'x3' plant I stumbled across in a driveway in davie one day. I knew what it was, and didn't really have time to deal with it, so I called a buddy and sent him in. He found that the original rutherford collection was planted around that house, and bought it all. He has been the source for all the exotica we have around here, and has done a pretty good job getting it out there. I never had a big plant of this one, and consider it functionally extinct until the davie plant turned up. Bender did not have exotica. So patience is key. And jeff, I gave the davis collection to flamingo gardens. I kept a cutting of the ones I liked, and they got all the mother plants. When I bought that collection it had been cut so much nothing was identifiable, or outstanding looking. I planted them in the ground and left them unmolested for 3-4 years. A lot of that giant leaf stuff takes a long time to mature and color out, and they develop very few heads. Not the type of thing that lends itself to mass propogation. Hope that helps. Kd
     
  32. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Holy Crap - its Kurt Decker! That is a name from way back. Kurt, I'm sure you don't remember me from back in the days when you did the South Florida Palm Society Sales. I was the star struck guy who hung around Ricky Kern's booth all the time. So glad to see you posting!!!

    Ron :)
     

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