Dr Frank Brown variant??

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  1. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    I was told Frank Brown but the red leaf is stumping me??I have seen many Frank Brown's but never one with a red leaf??
     

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  2. Marie Nock

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    Mike,
    There are two Frank Browns. The one you have is also known as Davis 14 and in my opinion is a much nicer plant than the other that has little color.
    Marie
     
  3. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Esteemed Member

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    Wow,thanks for the information.It really is a great plant.I cant wait until it gets a little size.I had never seen this one before.

     
  4. Moose

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    It was my impression that the larger leaved Dr. Frank Brown was a Davis bred cultivar. Are both actually Davis originated plants? :confused:

    Looks like Davis #14 is going to be added to my wish list. :eek:
     
  5. Crazy for Crotons

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    Marie, the Davis Frank Brown is Davis #14? Thanks for the info as I never knew that. I think that's a synonym we missed before.

    What's the darker, often blacked out, more common Frank Brown with broad leaves? Is it a Coppinger hybrid?
     
  6. keith

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    There is a coppinger Dr. brown, its a very beautiful plant- looks nothing like the one above, It is very hard
    to root and difficult to keep alive. I had 3 plants at different times, and they all have died.
     
  7. Moose

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    Keith - thank you for your encouraging words. :rolleyes:

    :eek: LOL :D

     
  8. Crazy for Crotons

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    Someone please confirm if Davis #14 is or is not one of the Dr. Frank Brown crotons. I have an out of color Davis Frank Brown in the garden and the leaf shape looks nothing like Davis #14.

    Here's a Davis #14 photo from Butler's site.

    http://crotonmania.net/davis14.jpg
     
  9. Jeff Searle

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    Ray, yes they are two different crotons.
     
  10. fawnridge

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    Marie - This Croton has been identified by several "experts" as Davis 14.
     

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  11. Crazy for Crotons

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    Ricky, that's Davis #4.
     
  12. Bullwinkle

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    I agree with Ray,this one is what I have labeled as Davis #4

     
  13. Crazy for Crotons

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    Then there's Davis #7 (also somewhat common) which resembles #4 but has a slightly larger leaf and is more white than yellow.
     
  14. fawnridge

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    Okay. #4 it is.
     
  15. Judy Glock

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    December 2005 Croton Society calendar has a picture of Davis#14. The leaves appear large AND red.
     
  16. fawnridge

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    Judy - You save the calendars???
     
  17. Moose

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    :cool: I'll bet Judy has all the news letters as well, cataloged in reverse chronological order ... :rolleyes:


     
  18. keith

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    Im with Judy- I have all the calendars and news letters also.
     
  19. Bullwinkle

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    Thanks for all the info,this thread has been informative.So just to get things straight there are 7 known numbered Davis varieties??
    Davis 1
    Davis 3
    Davis 4
    Davis 7
    Davis 14
    Davis 17
    Davis 87
     
  20. Marie Nock

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    Here's an old thread that deals with Davis 14. If you refer to the 2005 Calendar, the Davis Frank Brown is not the same as Davis 14. Mike, do you remember where you got your plant?
     
  21. Bullwinkle

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    Cannot say for sure Marie,I still have the plant pictured but it has not grown at all

     
  22. Marie Nock

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    Is it the same plant you posted on the other thread on Nov. 17th? I think they are both Davis 14 and not Frank Brown. However, if you got it from Jesse, he will call it Frank Brown.
     
  23. Phil Stager

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    here's some pics of a small air layer of the other Frank Brown - the difficult and hard to grow one that Keith mentioned earlier. This one gets some TLC this winter.
     

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  24. Kingdavid

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    Dr Frank Brown , bought it as one , really is showing its colors now
     

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    Davis 14 ..........
     

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    Another Davis # ?????? Maybe
     

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    OK, so what about the Davis #10 that Jeff had for sale at the Glock's tour this past weekend?
     
  28. Marie Nock

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    This statement I made in 2011 is incorrect. There are two Frank Browns - one Davis and one Coppinger. There is also Davis 14 which looks like the plant that was posted by Mike and similar to the "Frank Brown" posted by David. If anyone still has the 2005 calendar of the Ralph Davis Collection, both the Davis Frank Brown and Davis 14 are pictured.
     
  29. Jeff Searle

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    Tim, if I may,

    This was a plant I got while I think visiting Frank Brown's house several years ago while Bob was there as well. He named it. So, I brought the plant to the Glocks on Saturday for an updated confirmation, which he was excited to see and confirmed again. But nobody really paid much attention to it, which really surprised me. A pretty rare plant.....

    The mother plant at the house ( 5' x 4' ), now has a red sport on it of which it looks like a dead ringer for Columbia.
     
  30. Bullwinkle

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    Very nice color !! Stan Wood also has a nice specimen with lots of blotching.

     
  31. Native son

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    Phil how did you come by that air layer it looks very similar to one of the golden oldies.
     

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  32. Marie Nock

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    Here's a photo of Stan's Blotched Frank Brown. Ana, Stan gave the okay to use his picture in the wiki.

    Blotched Frank Brown.jpg


    Sorry, I don't know how to turn it.
     
  33. andy

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    Here is the Coppinger Dr.Brown. For 2 years it did not do much in a 6" pot I finally put it in the ground and shot off, the wiki pics was they day I plant it. Forgot how long ago. 5 months ago? maybe,
    the next 2 are Blotched Dr.Brown both from Stans they are in very dark shade and lost a lot of color over the last 2 years I have an airlayer ready to go and into more sun to see what happens.
     

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  34. Kingdavid

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    It has a label that says #6 maybe a Davis #6 ?????
     

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    David, I'm not sure about #6, but it would make sense that there would beat least be Davis's #1-#87. It kinda looks like Plaid Oak, kinda sort of.:roll eyes: Nice pattern though.
     
  36. Kingdavid

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    I have a Plaid Oak it is quite a bit different . the #6 is a super quick grower , it grew from 2.5 ft to 6ft in 5 months .For a yellow and green it is very eye appealing .Thanks david
     
  37. Kingdavid

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    Kinda looks like the same plant, mayby kinda ????? 40 yr old plant from PSL . . It was an old General development neighborhood plant . I was able to save from constant hedgeing from being to close to road , blocking view. When i first saw the plant it was around 7 ft , next time i went by it had been cut down to around 4 ft . i thought it was a Christians Landscape but when i got it home it was different than mine ...... Help ID please !!!
     

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  38. Kingdavid

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    as in post 31 ...
     
  39. Phil Stager

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    Looks just like a Miami Beauty I have here
     
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    Not Miami Beauty, not a great photo I just wanted to show the leaf type on my M.B. Fog moves in.
     

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