Ray, grandma is #19 for you, but for me it may be #106 so whos number are we going to use LOL If grandma turns out to something different, Im all for calling it grandma. I have plants that I have had for years, other people have the same plant also. Im all for the croton group getting together and putting a name on these plants. If my purple people eater plant dies, I can call Jeff and he can root me another one. Im sure he would know right away which plant I want.