Croton "America"

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Crazy for Crotons, Sep 17, 2009.

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  1. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Per Bob A., the plant labeled Dreer #7 in the book is really America. Mine finally got some color this year.

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  2. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Ray,

    That's really nice.Did Bob explain how it became America and is there another Dreer #7? Any of these "floating" around for trade/buy?


    Jeff
     
  3. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Jeff,

    Bob says the Dreer # 7 plant looks a bit different. Graf's book Exotica has black and white photos of both plants. My plant is a two year old cutting but there are two plants in my neighborhood with some size. Can I offer you a cutting?

    Ray
     
  4. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    My God, how, or when or what made you look or find these pictures in Exotica?Lol!!! I think I need to start doing more research myself. That's great if there are two large plants in your area. I would love to get a cutting, if you can get a few more, I'll root them , give them back to you and you can then donate them for the society. But thanks for introducing me to yet another new one......
     
  5. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    This is a very nice cultivar that I would definitely put in my garden if I had access to one. Who's got one??? :confused:

    Ron. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    There were 2 out-of-color one gallons at USF this weekend.
     
  7. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    :( could not make it :(
     
  8. Borgy230

    Borgy230 Active Member

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    Ray, what a shame I didnt see those at the USF sale!? hmmmm. that certainly is a beautiful one!
     
  9. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Rob,

    You wouldn't know it without a very careful eye. They were totally blacked out and ugly but the leaf shape and wavy edges were there for sure.

    Ray
     
  10. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    I hope one of these show up at the meeting at Ricky's house and is available for auction! :rolleyes:

    Ron. :)
     
  11. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Hmm....if one should show up, would it be in that under.....

    $10 catagory

    $10-25 catagory

    $25-50 catagory

    $50-100 catagory

    $ Out da roof catagory!:D
     
  12. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    That is really dependent if Jerry@TreeZoo shows up? :eek:
     
  13. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Or how much Sangria' I consume? :eek:
     
  14. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    I put an "America" cutting in the mist house last week that I'll trade for one of the crotons I'm looking for. It will be another month before it's ready though.
     
  15. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Marie - what is on your wish list? :rolleyes:

    :)
     
  16. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    My Wish List:
    Blotched Corot
    Blotched Jungle Queen
    Blotched Raphael
    Col. Lindbergh
    Cover Girl (a better clone than mine)
    Confucius
    Da Vinci
    Davis #10
    Davis Estate
    Delaware
    Exotica
    Gov. Martinez
    Ishi
    John Halgrim Jr.
    Lucile Alonso
    Michaelangelo
    Pres. Eisenhower
    Puccini
    Ruby Davis
    Seminole Queen
    The Pearl
     
  17. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Marie,

    That's one hell of a wish list. Looks almost identical to mine!! I have three on the list usually at all times.

    Col. Lindbergh
    Michaelangelo
    President Eisenhower

    Alot of these are really exceptional and hard to find.
     
  18. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Jeff,
    Would you like to trade a piece of any one of them for the "America"? Also, I think the "Embassy" that you liked is rooted.
    Marie
     
  19. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Wow Marie, you are a high maintenance croton girl! :p And I thought Judy Glock was bad. Would this be considered a "blotched Raphael" ??? :rolleyes:
     

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  20. Marie Nock

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    I'm honored to be grouped with Judy - she's a classey lady with good taste.

    In the picture I've seen of the Blotched Raphael, the blotch is a hot pink rather than the pale yellow or pale pink of the regular Raphael. There's a picture in the Society's 2002 calendar.
     
  21. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    Hi Marie,

    First, we missed you and Steve at the croton garden tour today. A pretty good crowd, great food and a beautifully lush garden to walk around in.

    Rob (Borgy230) and I actually planned on calling you and Steve this week to see if it would be possible to come by for a visit. Rob has been interested on coming by and asked if I would come. So, we can arainge to bring you something down.

    I heard you were unable to come today because of your sale. I hope it went well and lots of people showed up. I'll be in touch.


    Jeff
     
  22. Marie Nock

    Marie Nock Well-Known Member

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    Jeff,
    That would be great. We look forward to seeing you.
    Marie
     
  23. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Has any of this cultivar showed up for sale anywhere? :)
     
  24. Borgy230

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    yes, here is the post where Ray said that Dreer #7 in the book is actually America.
     
  25. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    Yes the confusion was magnified by Bob A.
     
  26. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Yesterday I saw a monster 7 gallon specimen of this cultivar. A little birdy told me that you may see it at the Saturday May 14th Croton Garden Tour. :rolleyes:
     
  27. Moose

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    Not on the availability list at the Searle Brothers 13th Annual Extravaganza. This is a cultivar that is hard to hunt down. :(
     
  28. Jeff Searle

    Jeff Searle Well-Known Member

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    If you think the America is hard to come by, Dreer #7 would be......?
     
  29. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Update: I picked up a "America" at the last auction we had at Ricky's place. It came from Phil. Phil had it buried in shade and was a bit stretched. Only on a couple of old leaves did you see evidence of the leaf margins doing what you see in the picture posted by Ray in post #1. The new leaves on my plant have some hints of wavy leaf margins. Ray stated that Phil has the true America in another thread.

    Jeff discovered (rediscovered) Dreer #7 in an old east Fort Lauderdale neighborhood. These are definitely two distinct cultivars. Is it the "true" Dreer #7, I have no idea. Not really worried if both plants are "correctly named. They are beauties and I am fortunate to have them. :)
     
  30. Crazy for Crotons

    Crazy for Crotons Well-Known Member

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    The first photo in this thread is Ernestine Delarue. Thanks Jose for the ID.
     
  31. Kingdavid

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    I believe this is one of the plants...... America .... Could this be correct ....?
     

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  32. Moose

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    I'm still confused :confused:
     

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