Everyone here needs to remember that we are not alone. There are obviously more guests than members here, folks who stumble in and read these venomous postings and then leave. I have done my best to stay out of these frays, of course I'm no longer the Croton expert I thought I was, so there's no reason for me to jump into a fight when I don't have the tools or the rules. But for those of you who thrive on this sort of confrontation, it is in the best interest of the forum and the Croton Society that you practice some level of civility for the public. (Sorry, Dean, I know this is your territory, but I just got an email from someone who I sent to this site and he couldn't believe what he read. Said he'd never come back again, as a matter of fact.) Try to remember, these are just plants we're discussing here and not the political future of the world.