Butia Hybrid Pictures

Discussion in 'PALM TREES - WHERE TROPICAL STARTS' started by ScotTi, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. ScotTi

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    Looking good there Ray!
     
  2. ScotTi

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    Just a update on the flowering.........................................................................................................I am still waiting..........................................................spathe is still growing, but its a very s l o w go.
     
  3. ScotTi

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    And after waiting about 4 months from first noticing the spathe... its about time!
     

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  4. Dypsisdean

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    Good job Dad. You may be a Grandfather soon. :)
     
  5. ScotTi

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    I have checked the male flowers the last 2 days and have noticed that no pollen is produced on them.
     
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    Well, you can always adopt. :)
     
  7. ScotTi

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    Day 4 of flowering and pollen is now noted.
     
  8. Eriksji

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    The colors are wonderful. I have yet to see any of the hybrids here that put off multiple colors. I recall a recent photo you posted of a Syagrus x Butia the reverse cross that had the same thing happening. Is this the same tree? I would like to try the reverse cross this year.
     
  9. ScotTi

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    Erik, Not the same tree. I will guess that only 1/10 (what I have seen) of my hybrids have produced multi colors.
     
  10. ScotTi

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    This one gets to sit by the pool all day...
     

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    Update ButiaxButiagrus.
     

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    Update Hybrid #4: Now at 5yrs old and flowering for the first time. Flower stalk looks very much like its mother Butia. Leaves still more plumose than on my other hybrids.
     

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    Scott have you heard that the mule palm is being considered for allergy free gardens because of the lack of male pollen? Up north they are all ready passing laws for schools and playgrounds to stop planting male trees and replacing them with female or male pollen free trees.
     
  14. Lanthinum

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    Hybrids? Wow. These look really nice. The combination of colors is really great. They are beautiful. On the other hand, the disadvantage in making hybrids is that most of the times they are sterile or else have an abnormal behavior or look.
     
  15. ScotTi

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    Here are the first pictures of a new hybrid that I received last year. These are Butia odorataX Jubaea. Only has pushed 2 leaves in a year.
     

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    The ButiaXButiagrus hybrid showing a nice leaf curve to its leaves...
     

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    You're the man with these hybrids. That palm is getting a nice "relaxed" look to it, and without an imperfection.
     
  18. ScotTi

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    Dean, That one is my favorite now days. I now have a S. schizophylla to work with, removed the male flowers today. Will cross with Butia, may make a smaller hybrid type tree.
     

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    Hey Marcel - where are the latest updated Photos ? :confused:
     
  20. Moose

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    I'll bet the SoCal crowd will be planting alot of Mule palms come this Spring.
     
  21. richnorm

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    Is this maybe a Butia hybrid? I bought it by mail order as a Ceroxylon but clearly it is not that! It looks a bit like Jubaea but something seems amiss and has grown rapidly from a one leaf seedling without seed attached. It's quite glaucous.
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    cheers
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    About 3 years from 1-leafer. I have just potted it up but it has been largely neglected in my shadehouse. I don't want any more Butia or Jubaea but something tells me to hang on to this one.
     
  24. ScotTi

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    Richard, I would hang on to the palm also. I really think it is a hybrid, I have very little knowledge of Jubaea hybrids. Here are a pics of my 2 yr old B.odorataXJubaea.
     

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  25. ScotTi

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    Here is a B.yatayXS.rom mule that I have had for a few years now. I really have neglected it also thinking it looked to much like a Butia, but this last year it has taken on a new look. I will be planting it in the ground real soon.
     

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    Thanks Scott, will let it grow a little more.
     
  27. Moose

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    Hmmm - Butia odorata is not a very large palm and then crossed with a monster? :eek: I'd be very interested to see what your palm developes into Scott - if I could live that long LOL ;)
     
  28. ScotTi

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    I know what you mean Moose. I got two leaves on each in 2012.
     
  29. swolf

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    Scott I'm interested in any feedback you have or later observe about the fertility of your ButiaxButyagrus. Very rare palm you have there. I wonder if the backcrossing helps or further hurts fertility (whether self-fertility or as pollen donor)?

    It would be interesting if some of that nice Butyagrus character could be retained, even if a little 'watered down' with Butia genes.

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  30. ScotTi

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    Steve, Here are photos of the Butia X Butiagrus taken today. When I worked on this cross I used pollen from 2 of my hybrids (1) S.rom X Butia and (2) Butia X S.rom. As the offspring have grown I believe I have sorted who the father really is. These are much slower growing than the S.rom X Butia X Butia.
     

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    Steve, Here is a side by side of the palms. Left is what I believe is Butia X Butiagrus and on the right Butia X Syutia (S.rom X Butia).
     

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    Thanks for posting those photos -- big difference in growth rates there. But I'm a little confused... do you have any of this F2 generation yet flowering? It will be interesting to see if they are more or less fertile than Butyagrus itself.

    Steve
     
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    Steve, Took this pic today of the F2 from Butiagrus seed now flowering for the 3rd time. No luck so far on setting fruit. Hope the bee is helping here.
     

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    Cool action shot of the bee! :D In the name of science you should also try that palm (or one of the later F2s) as pollen donor too. As I recall, you concluded that Butyagrus itself was more potent as a pollen donor... maybe that will also be true for the F2.

    Steve
     
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    Steve, Look close in the center of this picture. There is a one leaf seedling growing out of the boot of the Butiagrus that I got the offspring from. I think I need to get up there and get it out to grow it on. No other palm close so it may have produced another baby.
     

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  36. swolf

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    Hmm.. the plot thickens ;) I didn't realize any of the other F2s came from a Butyagrus... thought it was the reverse cross (Butia "mother"). I hope you experiment on this Butyagrus to establish whether its limited fertility is coming from its own pollen or a nearby palm. Maybe you already have... I should re-read this thread.

    This reminds me of Dr. Merrill Wilcox surprising observation that Butyagrus, when maternally fertile, appear to be self-fertile -- the type of fertility that's usually 'first to go'.

    Steve
     
  37. Moose

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    Hmmmm - that is very slow. Perhaps it is an indication that Jubaea DNA made it into the cross. One of my laments about living in South Florida is I cannot grow a Jubaea. However, I appreciate all the palms that I can grow that a climate that the Jubaea thrives in cannot support.

    Scott - this cross may end up being a real huge monster. :eek:
     
  38. ScotTi

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    Operation complete...
     

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  39. marcel

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    Hi Moose

    The butyagrus is planted out in my garden. Right now it is tied together and protected under snow.
    After planting out last year it unfortunately had a bad start and suffered sunburn and lost its spear.
    Although it thrives and I hope it will come through well under lots of dry leaves and snow.
    The other Butia I'm going to give to a friend who lives in Ticino, at the most southern point of Switzerland just a few minutes from Italy.
    A much milder and sunnier place than mine.

    I will post some pictures in Summer.

    Marcel
     
  40. ScotTi

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    :(:(She gave me my first hybrids, that started my love for them. I am going to miss this one.
     

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