Butia Hybrid Pictures

Discussion in 'PALM TREES - WHERE TROPICAL STARTS' started by ScotTi, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. marcel

    marcel Active Member

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    Hi scott,
    I am new here and this is my first post.

    I'm totally fascinated of your hybrids! :)
    Are you also giving seeds or seedlings away?

    My most cared palm at the moment is a butia x parajubaea that I am going to plant out in a couple of month.

    Marcel
     
  2. Dypsisdean

    Dypsisdean Administrator Staff Member

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    Marcel,

    Welcome --- Not everyone may realize where you are from. Your IP seems to indicate you are from Czechoslovakia. Is that correct?

    Hopefully Scott will be able to help you in your quest for cold hardy palms.
     
  3. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Marcel, Welcome to Palmpedia ! At this time I have no seeds. I will be working on the cross again when the Butia flowers again this summer. I am watching the 100+ seedlings (from the Butia that produces the natural hybrids) close for hybrids. I will be happy to send seedlings to you as I have done for others in the past. Scott
     
  4. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Here is a picture of palm raised from Butiagrus seed ( same palm as seen in posts #21 and #39 above). Lets watch it grow this year. Pic #1 taken 2/08/09.
     

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  5. marcel

    marcel Active Member

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    Dean,
    I'm not from Czechoslovakia, I'm from Switzerland The country between Germany and Italy for those who don't know. :D

    Scott,
    Please, send me some if you can?
    It's amazing how fast they grow!
    Do you also have seedlings of Bubutyagrus to give away?

    Marcel
     
  6. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Marcel, I will be trying the ButiaXButiagrus cross again this year. I did this cross again last fall and only got 2 seed and the Squirrels got those. Scott
     
  7. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Marcel, Here is a picture of the Butiagrus I have picked out for you.
     

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  8. marcel

    marcel Active Member

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    Wow, that is a beautiful plant. Do you have any idea how you can send it to my country?
    Ones I received a palm seedling bare rooted in a similar size in a calender roll labelled as a calender, and it went through customs with no problems. It was my B x P hybrid and came from California.
    Please let me know what you need for it.
    Thanks Scott.

    Marcel
     
  9. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Marcel, I will check into the best way to send it to you. I figured that a potted seedling, with all soil washed from roots will do better than a ground dug seedling with soil removed. Scott
     
  10. marcel

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    Sounds good. And I'm already very excited for it! :)

    I compared your hybrids with the ones from Erik's Mule Palm Nursery and I find that yours look in a way more elegant.
    You also wrote earlier in this thread that there could be some Jubaea in it.
    That would be a big plus, since it would bring some extra hardiness.

    Marcel
     
  11. ScotTi

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    Marcel, I am glad you like the look of my hybrids. I was looking at the seed bed of seedlings and see a few with the red leaf base (I think turn out a more attractive hybrid and grow faster) I think I will include one of them also. Scott
     
  12. marcel

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    Thank you very much Scott!
    You are very generous. I like the red based seedling that you showed earlier also very much. Also my B x P has a bit of red in its base.

    Marcel
     
  13. ScotTi

    ScotTi Esteemed Member

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    Marcel, Here is a picture of the red trunk base seedlings.
     

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  14. marcel

    marcel Active Member

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    It's amazing how red they are. Do they keep the red colour when they get bigger?

    Marcel
     
  15. ScotTi

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    The red is lost in the second year of growth. After the second year of growth the leaf base all start showing up as black/brown. The seedlings that start with a green leaf base remain green as the palm matures. The offspring from the Butiagrus (posts 21,39,44) started with black leaf bases and remains black. The Butiagrus offspring plant is now coming into its own look. It looks as it will have a more compact leaf structure with a shorter leaf. This will be one to watch this year as I expect fast growth.
     

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  16. marcel

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    Scott,

    Is that the first and only butiagrus offspring seed that sprouted?
    And have you any explanation for that, since this hybrid normally never produces seeds that can sprout. :rolleyes:
    At least that's what I have read many times about this palm.
    Very exciting!

    Marcel
     
  17. ScotTi

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    Marcel, That is the only one to sprout out of a couple hundred seed. Of the three mature Butiagrus I have growing ony one sets seed (see pictures). Last year (2007) it set hundreds of seed. I started cracking the seed open, I cracked a few dozen before I found one with endosperm. The others that were opened had a solid endocarp. I planted the other few hundred seed and will wait to see what happens. Scott
     

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  18. iamjv

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    Scott thanks for letting me know about this site and the great pictures within this thread. You've had great success with your hybridization efforts. I look forward to seeing what the two palms of yours I came across will turn out to be... hope something similar to those in post #39! Jv
     
  19. palmnerd

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    Hi Scott, While on my back issues of Palms kick today I came across an article in Vol. 51 (3) sep. '07 called Boron Deficiency in Palms, by Tim Broschat. In the article is a pic of a Cocos with what he calls hook leaf. It looks exactly like the lightning bolts in your pictures. He states that it is a result of mild transient boron deficiency. This may not be the case for your palms but its food for thought, so to speak. The frustrating thing about the article is he covers only symptoms and no remedies. Although in a chart he cites borax as a means of obtaining boron for plants. I may have misread this, but I think that's what he was saying. -Justin
     
  20. ScotTi

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    Justin, I was thinking Boron Deficiency years ago. I feed the palm with Miracle-Gro (contains .02% Boron) every 2weeks for 2 years and have not seen a change in the leaf. A few of the Butiagrus offspring show these hooks also. Scott
     
  21. palmnerd

    palmnerd Well-Known Member

    It sounds like you have a trait then. Or maybe in the crossing process the new plants lack the ability to take up boron as efficiently as the parents. It's pretty interesting no matter what. For others interested in the hook leaf issue or Tim Broschat's article on boron deficiency, I found a link to the article.
    In the on line article he has a recipe involving borax to treat boron deficiency.
    http://flrec.ifas.ufl.edu/palm_prod/palm_nutrition.shtml
     
  22. Eriksji

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    Scott great looking photos of your Hybrids. Am I understanding correctly that you are getting viable seed from you Butyagrus. As far as saving your seed from rodents. You should bag the whole seed pod and tie it off to keep out all unwanted critters and other pollen. There are plenty of knitted bags that will do the trick.
     
  23. ScotTi

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    I have only gotten 1 actual palm so far out of 100s of seed. Of the 3 mature Butiagrus only 1 sets seed. I have had better luck with back crossing Butia with the Butiagrus pollen.
     
  24. ScotTi

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    Marcel, Here is your first look at your palms. Butia red trunk(L) and Butiagrus(R). Good luck.
     

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    UPDATE... grown from Butiagrus seed (post 21,39,44,55) growing fast now. Looks like its going to have lots of fibers on leaf stem.
     

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  26. ScotTi

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    UPDATE... Butiagrus varigated (posts18,28,34) still showing varigation on leaflets growing in screened pool cage area,still getting sunburn to the varigated areas of leaves.
     

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  27. marcel

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    Very healthy and strong looking plants!
    Thank you again Scott.
    I can't wait to see what they are going to look like.:)

    Marcel
     
  28. ScotTi

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    ButiaXButiagrus (post #26 & #27) update: Can you see the blue tint to the leaves and leaf stalk? This may turn out to be a really beautiful hybrid.
     

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  29. Dypsisdean

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    Looks interesting Scott.

    Is that going in the ground any time soon?
     
  30. ScotTi

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    Dean, For now it is going in a larger pot. I would really like to put it in the ground instead of a pot. I have limited space left now and I think the Butiagrus hybrids look best as a stand alone palm. So I am going to delay the ground planting until I can get a idea on the spread it may need. I may donate to a Central FL botanical garden along with the variegated Butiagrus. I also am thinking about moving to the desert SW when I retire so they may be better off in a botanical garden in the long run.
     
  31. Dypsisdean

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    Wow,

    That would be quite a move. It would be hard to leave such a place as you've put together. However, I made a move from a nice garden as well, and am glad I made the move. But I moved from a "desert-like" San Diego to the tropics - almost the reverse of your contemplated move.
     
  32. FRITO

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    Scott, awesome pictorials. so much variation between your mules!
     
  33. ScotTi

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    Hybrid #1 (posts 1,2 & 3) has flowered for 5 years now. It has now set a full set of fruit for the first time. The fruit is long and pointed at this time, that look like S.rom seed at same stage.
     

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  34. ScotTi

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    The Butiagrus with the variegation is looking better now that it was removed from a full sun location in July. Growth rate is slow compared to a all green Butiagrus. This palm has pushed 4 new leaves this year vs 8 on the non variegated. The leaflets are finer and softer also. This palm I believe will be a hard grow.
     

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  35. Dypsisdean

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    Has anyone ever seen a variegated Butia type palm before???
     
  36. ScotTi

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    The variegated hybrids have all come from using pollen from a S rom. that produces 25% all white seedlings. I have raised 4 variegated Butiagrus that the variegation is lost on the second mature leaf. The variegated Butiagrus pictured is holding on to the white variegation with 5 mature leaves. I need to save some of the green S rom seedlings to see if they will become variegated. I do think a variegated S rom would be useless as the variegation is white and burns in the sun. I may pot up a few to see what happens.
     
  37. ScotTi

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    UPDATE: The seed have matured and I have cracked a few only to find solid wood. The Squirrels have not even gone after them. I will throw all the seed in the ground just in case, but I hold no hope for them.
     
  38. Dypsisdean

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    I've heard of the "float test," but the "squirrel test" would probably work well too.
     
  39. freakypalmguy

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    Really nice stuff Scott, I'm a hybrid lover as well, so I am digging this thread.

    Matt
     
  40. marcel

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    Scott, just want to let you know that your palms are fine. They are growing nicely inside the house on a windowsill.

    We are just having our first snow today! I hope spring is coming soon! Brrr....

    Marcel
     

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