A Parade of Unknowns

Discussion in 'THE CROTON SOCIETY' started by Moose, Oct 16, 2011.

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  1. Moose

    Moose Esteemed Member

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    Unknown #10 updated photo. Thought this was Majesticum. Mike Woolery (Bullwinkle) feels that it is Punctatum.

    Onward through the fog ... :confused:
     

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  2. Moose

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    Unknown #11 updated photo. In another thread, Keith said this looked like Mike Fascell.
     

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  3. Moose

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    Unknown #12 - Still no clue on this one. Thoughts about Caribbean Star, maybe it is? The leaves have some curl and texture on the edges. The wide blotches of yellow along the midrib stays pretty consistent on this plant. Then colors upvery nice with age.

    Any thoughts from anybody? :confused:
     

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  4. Moose

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    Unknown #13 Updated photo: Probably a Columbiana. some of the older leaves were coloring up like a Fathers Day, but that coloring has been inconsistent.

    Any IDeas? :confused:
     

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  5. Moose

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    Unknown #14 Photo Update: It may be safe to assume that this is Dr. Alix.
     

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  6. Moose

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    Unknown #15 updated photo: It was hard to tell when it was a small rooted cutiing that this croton would become a General Paget. Didn't have one before, now I do. :)
     

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  7. Bullwinkle

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    I an beginning to wonder if Father's day and Columbiana are distinct cultivars.There are so many variations in the Columbiana complex perhaps fathers day is one of the variation??As I have noticed that sometimes my Fathers day looks like Columbiana and Vice-versa.



     
  8. Jeff Searle

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    Seriously? Go look on page 2 in the croton book........

    I think your Caribbean Star is what it is, based on the picture.

    In my opinion, Columbiana has a smaller leaf than the Father's Day. Similar colors, not as intense, but much smaller leaves.
     
  9. Jeff Searle

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    Oh, and my Mike Fascell plant originated in the Pinecrest Gardens down in Miami. It looks completely different. It had a wire tag on it with this name, along with a few others that had name tags on it. I was told by Craig that Johnny and Bob had come through there a few years earlier and placed these wires on them. While in there, I came across an old, very leggy croton with few leaves and named Cover Girl. As you can imagine, my eyes got very big and I thought I hit the lottery. Only to find out much later as they grew, they turned out to be Columbia. So mistakes are made.......
     
  10. Moose

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    Tags get moved. People make lists to tag later, wrong plant gets tagged, etc ...

    Jeff - when I got Columbia from you I was thrilled that I had obtained a Cover Girl. Well, we know now that it is not but it is a very beautiful croton. My excitement did not diminish because of the "name change". Some collectors get hung up on names on their wish list or the rarity of a cultivar. Hey, a well grown beautiful Petra is something to behold. :)

    Unknown #16 - looks like it may be Freckles?
     

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  11. Moose

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    Unknown #17 Updated photos: This one remains a mystery. :confused:
     

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  12. Moose

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    Unknown #18 updated photo: Took a nice air layer off this plant two days ago. Should I bring it to the auction?
     

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  13. Moose

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    Unknown # 19 updated photo. Would love to get an ID on this one. :)
     

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  14. Bullwinkle

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    I think Moose's plant is Picturatum not Punctatum.I plan to bring Majesticum,Picturatum and Daybreak to the next meeting for all to decide on the differences

    theyQUOTE=Jeff Searle;42848]Seriously? Go look on page 2 in the croton book........

    I think your Caribbean Star is what it is, based on the picture.

    In my opinion, Columbiana has a smaller leaf than the Father's Day. Similar colors, not as intense, but much smaller leaves.[/QUOTE]
     
  15. JoseLopez

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    Hey Moose, the plant you are showing is Czar Alexander
    Mike-Majesticum, picturaton , pheasant tail, and day break . I have these plants, they are similar but have differences. Also I saw another variety from Hawaii that are unknown but similar to the ones I mentioned
     
  16. Bullwinkle

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    Thanks Jose, Majesticum is a beauty but it is so much slower than Daybreak or Picturatum
    .Czar Alexander looks almost like John Soar but it looks like it has more red??


     
  17. Moose

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    Updated photos of Unknown #20
     

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  18. Moose

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    Updated photos of Unknown #21
     

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  19. Moose

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    Unknown #22 updated photos
     

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