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Hi John,
I may just muddy things up a bit here but the alfredii and sp. no windows are disparate of one another. With the exception of the B. madagascariensis, I don't think too many people outside of Madagascar have witnessed the performance of sp. no windows and alfredii as reproducing adults. There may be growers in Australia that have older specimens of the two lesser known species. I would guess that we are all on the same learning curve.
With regard to which might be best, I would think the alfredii might win out for your location. I say this on the hunch that it comes from a higher elevation than the other forms which I believe are near sea level in in cito culture.
We currently have B. mad. and sp. no windows. We're getting the third form in this week from Jeff Marcus. We've had B. mad for less than ten years and the no windows for about two years. I can say already that B. mad. is faster to obtain height than no windows. The no winows has no stap or entire leaves as a seedling\young juvenile. We will report what we find over the next few years as well.
I just looked at the encyclopedia for Beccariophoenix. I see that B. mad is listed as no windows. That's interesting. Here's a couple of pics from my yard with B. mad. in windowpane form. Is it me? Or are those windowpanes. So I guess that B. mad. is now the new no windows and the no windows is the new B. mad??? I would love to know the straight info on this. I also tossed in some pics of the no windows for the record.
Yeah John, I would love to see some peer reviewed lit. on the matter of the three forms of this genus. Where do the experts stand on this matter? I went to the Kew monocot list and they have not resolved this as well. In fact when you search any of the three for photo examples you get all three in each respective catagory. None the less John I wish you bon chance in insuring the three fill in the blank spp. for your area! Happy growing. -Justin
Hi John, I'm not sure if you caught Deans entry regarding the window form as being difficult for soCal.
As I like to lift the veil of ignorance from my own eyes. I did a little scratching around and having spoken with Jeff Marcus today, I see a little more of this in a better light. If I understood Jeff correctly, he mentioned that one of Dransfield's descriptions of B. mad. was included with a misplaced photo of the window form from the Ranomafana population. Perhaps if this is the case, that's where the vaguery may have begun.
I scoured the back issues of Palms and found that Dransfield's appearant first description of B. mad. of the Mantadia population (?) is in vol. 32 pages 59-68 1988. The on line issues aren't available for that far back yet.
I found an article (vol.51 (2) 2007) for the description of alfredii that mentioned Allison Shapcott of USC Australia having done some DNA work that showed disparity between alfredii and B. mad.. I wonder if she peered into the two forms other than alfredii as well.
And I might still contest that the window form having been cultivated for many years now, should have been assigned a name by now. But that's just an opinion.
I would, for my climate like to study Syagrus more closely. I have about twenty two sp. in the stable right now. I want to try to insure some of the lesser known spp. for commercial intersts for here.
Hey John, Yes talking to Jeff is indeed an experience. I do hope you were able to make inroads for your project. If your ever interested in an incredible slideshow with Jeff talking away for almost two hours, go to the HIPS page here on Palmpedia. He presents a slide show to the members of the eastern (?) branch of the Hawaiian Island Palm Society chapter meeting. The audience at the meeting consisted of Bo Lundqvuist (current IPS prez.) and Dean from this site. The show covers Jeff and his Wife Suchin on their recent (last October I think) trip to Madagascar. They were led around the island by John Dransfield with others Like Randy Moore in tow. I just can't fathom such an experience. Anyway, it is an incredible slideshow. Jeff is a very knowledgeable guy and the slide show is visually impressive. So pop some popcorn grab a beverage and check it out.
I just looked at the encyclopedia for Beccariophoenix. I see that B. mad is listed as no windows. That's interesting. Here's a couple of pics from my yard with B. mad. in windowpane form. Is it me? Or are those windowpanes. So I guess that B. mad. is now the new no windows and the no windows is the new B. mad??? I would love to know the straight info on this. I also tossed in some pics of the no windows for the record.
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