Onward through the fog, no question. The fog does lift a little when you grow nursery plants side by side. Jeff you can solve lots of these, I'd bet you have them all, just grow some cuttings on the same bench. We will know for sure one way or the other. The plant I had as ian's tiger wad ID'ed by all as red fishbone, also called herringbone. If it's the same keith I'm thinking of, he was a monster collector on the west coast, lots of his source material is separate from mine, could be different, maybe. When I bought the davis stuff, the two things bender and brown were chomping at the bit for were playboy and covergirl. Noone had them. Dr. Brown gave me detailed instructions as to where they were on the property and both he and bender were very happy to see them found and retrieved. I never propagated ian's tiger but I made as many covergirls as I could. Looking at them now, they are the same. You are probably in the best position to come up with a concrete answer, jeff, on this and others.